Growing Urban Agriculture

December 03, 2013

After he retired from the NBA, urban farmer and author Will Allen returned to his roots. He was born to sharecroppers in South Carolina and grew up on a small vegetable farm. Today, he’s CEO of Milwaukee’s urban farming project “Growing Power,” and is working to help eradicate food deserts, places where it’s hard to find affordable, fresh produce. This hour on Focus, host Jim Meadows talks with Allen about the project and its mission to help more people, especially those living in cities, gain access to healthy food.

Then, during the second half of this hour on Focus, Meadows talks with Sam Wortman, an Assistant Professor of Crop Sciences at the University of Illinois. Wortman studies urban agriculture and says projects like Allen’s are helping accessibility problems but warns that the model for how to create a sustainable urban agriculture system varies from place to place.


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advocates of urban agriculture sale lot of food can be grown in the city providing home
remedy for food deserts other problems Meadows today on foot
today on focus will look at the urban agriculture movement 2 different viewpoints


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urban agriculture organization Roman power Milwaukee University of Illinois from Sun
Illinois from science professor talked about the environmental challenges Urban
which is urban farmers urban agriculture today on focus

my program continues after the news
welcome to focus MGM Meadows the urban agriculture movement define the cons


define the concept that food just comes from rural areas in doing so its practitioners funny
pictures of funny more benefits rowing food in the city in simply having something to eat nearby
nearby benefits can range from social economic to enviromental there are also
there are also challenges to growing food in the city in later on focus of talk with Professor San Juan
send wart many heads of the urban agriculture research lab and the Department of Sciences
science is the University of Illinois right now let’s talk to someone who left a non farming
the non farming jobs start up an urban farm he’s Will Allen the founder of sin cos


CEO of growing power which operates farming operations in Milwaukee and
Waukee end in Chicago he will be speaking on the University of Illinois campus tonight
Campus tonight Tuesday night I believe that’s at 7 p.m. At the Illini Union
Will Allen welcome to focus Straight Talk use this morning
whats wait to have you with us and I’m wondering I understand you crop a form yourself
the border
and um you know after death


after death experience what were you ever thinking of a forming career yourself because it sounds like this
is it sounds like that’s not what you did for starters no I won the farm
I had a hundred scholarship office basketball University
universities in the nation and I said I’m never go back to the farm again
I guess you should never say and you YouTube you play basketball
who played basketball you play the old ABA you played in Europe um and Larry
later on you had I gotta say you work for Procter and Gamble yeah I work for Factor


pack and Gamble
actually I got back open your
what am I your pants family had a farm
I guess I had this guy in the army
farming I want a farm I got 25 chickens
I’ve started Gordon food in that’s where I got fed
transformer back in the 70’s that was back in the 70’s but later


70’s bit later on when you were back in the US and you were in Milwaukee understand
stand Bend KS yes my wife was the Marquis remove back
vacuum with 3 children in a burning desire to farm
Farm 3508 resides within the job
job what factor and also farming and going to farmers market
farmers markets in selling wholesale back in the 70’s and 80’s
one day I was driving down the street in my f***** gamble account


I ran across the farm in Milwaukee on Silver Spring Drive
Dr I was looking to sell my farm produce
what is the busiest Street Milwaukee I know and what color food desert
food after a large is the housing project 5 blocks away
location great I just saw my farm produce and to grow food
gross food in the city 21 years ago now before that you had been Grove
been growing out of the country near Milwaukee a ticket yeah I was going out so creepy


pre k in a hundred acres growing and selling
just looking for another new retail space in the fact
and the fact that there will be a great place to
bring my good food have naturally gone
naturally growing into the city and the ivy
I got sucked into
non profit organization that we have today what before we go for the red light


go for the red like to invite listener cinema conversation perhaps you do some farming in the city
the City yourself wet weather its raising a backyard chickens in Spanish you in Champaign Urbana
Champaign Urbana recently are growing crops in a community garden or something bigger we like to hear
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Jensen Facebook and Twitter focus 580 how did you
how did you how did you was sucking evolve with using a working this farm in the city
what was the wanted to grow
Garden State greenhouses
on the farm I like your own back
back in 1995 850 area
area help them start selling Avon from Sweden


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intercity and I hope to set up a standing Milwaukee Journal
front page story about a kid that’s how I got sex
kids my friend said you should start a non profit
I said I don’t wanna Office
office work if you guys want to do that ministrator work I would do it
I would do it and that’s how I got started today’s date


back in 95 now is 25 acres greenhouses
how about 2075
what I am wondering with the operations
what’s the operations you have in the city are those are the special challenges to forming inside the city
the City compared to a ruler yeah there are some challenges
challenges of Courts asphalt concrete
is gross oil compost very light scale


scale app for concrete rooftops
city lights Milwaukee Chicago Detroit
Michigan really all of the Midwest
Eastern cities but you have to have a compost Grove
contaminated up because we’re heading
heavy industrial city lot of lead arsenic
oils to feed 50


hardpan player asphalt concrete
40 million pounds
nitrogen put in compost go to food
okay I’m having that’s having that the New Deal
newly produced soil as it were um is that something that has to be constantly
constantly to maintain an added to our union the richest able to vision without soil
oil well because it’s compost


the capital of friend of course to bring up at level 20
2 seat from the base of a toilet
food about the fertility
how close is high fertility
that’s what’s really important to help make sure you get off food high
food high in nutrients you know it’s all about
its all about the rubber meets the road health value of the food


and God are so over all today is 50 cent
how was 50 years ago so that’s the issue
that’s just us something USO and generally means yes
dog have to do something that
birthday have a safe to have sex urban
urban connection cancel all the food in urban areas
single farm living will form


Farmers how to grow more intense a blade on left
on left face looking at Caltrain schedule
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570 I want to make sure grip every square
every square foot do that you have to have high fertility
oil okay um what’s what’s the crops
what’s the crops are you growing in India various operations 1250 different


50 different good rap road live for the Bulls edible
edible flowers herb how do I cook it going fish
Phish train people how did the Knicks which is something I think
very young people today as I go to the country
young people interested in aquaponics its not its not like
28 degrees
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how to build a greenhouse plants
plants in fish so you getting out of a protein from the fish that your groin
growing vegetables NFL
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something that is going to factory trailer hundred forty
40 people a year is going on


people that people that you work with your programs now its young people but it is
what is it is it adults well oh yeah I said
generational signs that the end
Atlanta Falcons today is said about 17
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people from all walks of life like trains January


okay what is this century
this is interesting to me because he must be working with a lot of people who a centrally are starting from 00’s far
100 bars from farming experience yeah I think sometimes
sometimes it’s good that there’s a f*****
f***** new concept going out in the city
in the city and going on slaughter space barrier
barrier how to roast a bit different


difference in grain food in a room will Arian row crops
craps Hobbit everybody’s welcome and it said I purchase
opportunities for folks that have been fired do I sound like that transition
transition from conventional farming new type of farming and I think
Farmingdale much for financial aid beneficial what’s going on
out in America in the industrial
lava farm where talking with Will Allen he’s founder of grey


founder of growing power with with herban farms in Milwaukee
Milwaukee and also more recently in Chicago and also a training programs in very
grams in various parts of the country from time to time you can call him with your comments and also
and also your thoughts about a urban farming maybe your experiences as well or phone numbers
phone numbers 1 800 222 94551 800 222
222 WILL and RR email addresses
addresses will a dash talkin Illinois dot edu I will I’m wondering


will I’m wondering are you grow the food where does it go once you harvest what we have
what we have a very surprised market everybody
send that have to guess the same
good food find Avenue do that
can we go to farmers market farm stands
CSA winter farmers market operate
warehouse incest sex Wisconsin Ave


HyVee sell to Sysco large enough for 25
25 acres greenhouses 300 acres outside directions to be able to deliver
how to deliver to wholesalers so we’re getting out food everybody
everybody in the community economic situation ad
add the way we do that is able to cut the connection cost by Greyhound
5 renewable energy renewable energy
energy and olive garden near out of the inside


Inside Passage 85 Chicago
how to get a food into the walking store carries
Chicago so I will Michigan
Mission Trail access because that’s what it’s all about food
people that don’t have excess food a really about
about access access to the same give me an idea of when you’re talking
when you’re talking about a food desert in a large metro area like Milwaukee Wisconsin what is someone


what is someone you know with with without an operation my growing power or some other Urban
urban agriculture going on there whats the options somebody going to have for groceries
people that
Levolor FIBA struggle
struggle and 6 mile
closest grocery store op 7
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corner stores in Detroit
coke have a hard time Fabolous
outside pictures arches
Hills grocery store
grocery stores until Lisa Whole Foods
just go to store in Detroit
grocery store out of name in Detroit City


city that has 1969 square miles of territory Atlanta
90 square miles is Atlanta traffic
what’s happening in Detroit
Troy and Abed Troy
Troy there in the city in terms of people taking it
background on food eyes
that way that’s the most important thing in life


the granite at the only way in the healthcare
health care prices hydro healthy pizza
supposed to be at Madison 5th movement
5th movement that I call a revolution revolution of Alabama
people’s health food community
community you talked about training people
people to farm not just in your programs but be on that do you say have have have you seen other


have you seen other operation startup in other cities of people who started training with you

I get cause I’m a failure of the country in the world
small communities
how do you think a city like in Beijing
Seattle Washington area


city that has a lot of well when you look at it
what they do southern states
because I are rx
Rx change shape
Uhaul in this together high
figure out how do you change your local
local to have a healthy food system


farmers cabinet
I need the corporate community on board
universities on board Medical folks
folks engineers and architects need to really designs
twerk indeed communities around the country will I have a tweet
do I have a tweet in from Lisa Ann and she was wondering if I have growing power has it
power has any partnerships involved with institutions likes a food banks are correctional officer


correctional facilities just a couple of examples of places that you might be providing food
providing food for yeah we have 5000 correctional
in house work
train from correctional facilities terms
15 minutes warm farm
70’s Show
sad that only believe donate food food bags


Beyonce pickup fairways internet it to compost food
how to cause a lot of times of food did they get from glass
from wholesalers only has one day shelf life of Charlotte
Trader lot of weight
Megadeth that sounds like a very Gaga instructive arrangement
virginity by infinity
can people did Mark Lane


directions from fines and also to purchase fresh vegetables
will what parts what are some of the big challenges as far as being able to
being able to expand urban agriculture mean what what what challenges do you ca
is do you see I had that that that need to be overcome
organization started after
activating Atlanta rush status


status I get land on a long term basis
basis transforming a vacant lot Costco
Costco situation you think about the yard
how to grow in soil
that’s why the big issue is a big issue
Farm so
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hide ongoing saying you have been 5050 s
can I get a copy of place
complacent anything because of Texas good or bad
bad storm with your c*** out so young
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will working on a vertical bar vertical
Food City weather is not live on land mass we’re going to have to


we’re going to have to grow up vertically looking at a
looking at a hundred Story vertical farm in cities like New York a Boston
Chabad Tokyo San Francisco price of Future
future what is next generation 2
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what happened to Carmen ok
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will I was wondering a groin
during a growing power of course is a non profit organization is there a roll or do you use
are do you see commercial farmers setting of operations in urban areas
are you there already I met a fact that would say
7506 training
for profit small farm Ohio
think that’s important that the trait that the crate


great businesses week great jobs Leafly can create jobs
jobs local communities
the potential for growth in urban agriculture in the future how big is it
is it is tremendous specially is like I said vertical
vertical farm with rooftops have with rice
asphalt concrete going on a foreclosed
foreclosed former factories in Billings


use idling low cost houses at the Grove
round food iPhone saying about the food 25
25 weeks outdoor party is going on do we need to feed
need to feed people 365 days a year good local food
and that’s possible that’s why things that we have to poop
significant amount of food in size shape or
are on the exterior use out so we had to


we have to continue to quantify that that we can’t we have to continue
how to continue to qualify as a people especially after the cause me to be a saw
balls and I hope you get land plot of land is just sitting around
chicken wrap in city of Chicago has 33 square miles
square miles 77008 South Atlanta news
can be use to grow food resident next 20 years
tremendous potential to fix Aikman


68 mint small 5 minutes great place in pharmacy
pharmacist at start growing inside Landis sewing
weather outside most major cities
city-state said pretty difficult to get started the Great
the Great study what will Alan thank you very much for talking with us
talking with us today and of course you will be on the U of I campus Odyssey
this evening Tuesday evening at 7 o’clock to give a lecture and odds


anti the Illini Union yeah I’m headed that way right now
looking for thank you very much for talking Memphis
take care and will take a short break your on focusing me back with more discussion
discussion about urban agriculture without Francis m workman of the Department of Sciences
Night at the University of Illinois this is focus on wyll
Rebecca focus era wyll MJ Meadows continuing artist
can you bring our discussion of urban agriculture and we welcome your questions and comets especially yours


especially your own experiences with farming in the city weather its a garden plot
Martin plot raising chickens Arbor have doing something a little more ambitious give us a call at
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222 WILL my next gas is an assistant professor
professor in the Department of crop science is at the University of Illinois Urbana campus


Pacetti’s also the lead investigator somebody should have your own TV show lead investigator
investigator at the urban agriculture research lab department runs a professor
professor ascend Boardman thank you very much for being on the show today happy be here and how long
how long has urban agriculture been a deferred subs
define subject of the sentence that that would be something other than
department wants to take a serious look at a topic
the tool you can find in the scientific literature for at least a couple decades a receiver


received most attention from social scientists and urban planners
that’s been looking at ways to use urban land and looking also the social issues which will
which will itouch not quite a bit um but as far as the production side of things the reason that the
is the reason that the Department of Science is interested is the RC ng urban agriculture
urban agriculture in a much bigger scale and cities like Chicago and production challenges
production challenges what are unique production challenges with growing food in cities in so um doctor
Dr Sarah Taylor level in our department started doing some research on 2900


8900 Wilshire looking at the multi functional benefits of urban agriculture things
miracle tree things like pollinators you find cities on another
benefits like stormwater runoff in things the turban farms can provide to the city in so
so um so I was brought on a 2012 focus more on some of those production challenges how can we
challenges how can we maximize productivity on urban farms well cementing sustainability
sustainability increasing profitability which is the main issue because as well mansion
the folks are wanting to I’m going to for brother touched my presence on urban farms


honorbuddy forums I gather if you go back for enough I mean like a century of self
century is so and go to cities you would you would you would see more forming going on
going on um that there would be more land available for that people would just end
Justin to have livestock because if nothing else horses were moving to cities anyway
and if you have horses you could you could turn other animals as well so something happened between
something happened between say hundred fifty years ago and now the change the face of urban agriculture
call for time yeah that’s definitely true and um in really the top


the topic of urban agriculture is is someone for unto us in the US
the US but I remember cultures very prominent in developing countries looking to sign
look in the scientific literature um for urban agriculture most of the examples you find
and um come from Africa or Latin America and so hold your is
pictures is kind of movement right now in the US but I did something urban art urban
urban an agricultural landscape sorority well integrated in many countries are in the world
world it is something and this is really a vague terms askew urban Farmington were


Farmington work that is in the largest sense can provide food informant
pointment in the long run or is it just something that you know you been in
Indian terms of love culture so fat yeah the great question one that we get all the
can one that we get all the time and I think it just depends how you find food
find food because the throwed urban agriculture can really provide is
is in the way of fruits and vegetables and herbs and things that will out
things that will Illinois mentioning um in my opinion we’re never going to be able to grow all of the


all of the greens in meet that we really need to provide a lot of calories
calories in protein have for a growing population in cities so there’s always going to be
always going to be a role for relaxer Coulter we need large large acreage to provide greens
greens to feed livestock and provide protein but um there’s a will there’s a really strong
there’s a really strong be filled in cities to grow nutritious fruits and vegetables and herbs
herbs that will Ellen I fink touch Dunham on something on the environmental challenges
mental challenges your face is concerta sounds like he’s not really growing directly in


n in the top soil that you might find in a vacant lot if you would do if you if you were to find a good
find a good time what are even if your backyard in your backyard
yard if you say had a bungalow in a city neighborhood I don’t know if you were in Chicago and
and the way you live the life you live in a brother had a backyard space how
how fun how long does the quality of the soil in there
I would be fairly suspicious um most is the show notes the Grouch
trout Chicago the the average backgrounds will lead concentration for example


examples about 400 parts per million that’s right at the threshold of the EPA uses for
is for defining a contaminated soil when you talk about things like building children’s playground
children’s playgrounds for example um that’s quite a bit higher than what we find another major metropolitan
major metropolitan areas us talking with colleague on Oakland California any mention that the city white
citywide average in Oakland about 100 parts per million for lead so it is because
because I will mention somebody industrial history that we have in the Midwest cities like Detroit Chicago
train Chicago and that that has resulted in kind of a long term environmental problem when it comes


when it comes to heavy metals in other organic contaminants in so um people should be
should be you neyo at least aware of the potential for contamination when you’re going to grow I in
write in your backyard in a vacant lot but that doesn’t mean that its not possible
and there are very common sense types of precautions people can take that still allow them to grow
how to grow food very safely in their backyards directly in the soil
if they just take some proper pick up precautions things like wearing gardening gloves washing your fruits and vegetables
fruits and vegetables on the big thing that I told people that usually get to laugh is just don’t eat the soil


don’t eat the soil that’s the number one way that people get exposed
exposed hoes contaminants is through direct injection obviously most people are taking spoonfuls of soil and eating it
toilet eating it but you might be in Hayling it if you’re out telling up your garden ic just want to be tied
be careful that you’re not indirectly ingesting it with the lights on your produce or urine healing that
Healing that contaminated dust I’m wondering also in downstate Illinois
State Illinois in small metro areas even industrial one’s son riddle
the long term industrial 168 Decatur in Danville areas and then other channel


and then other towns Champaign Urbana Charleston ARMA 2 North Springfield what have you
does do this to the same levels of risk in in soccer
insult contamination exists there as exist in the major cities
yes but not the same degree um so let is the containment
containment that was received the most attention rightfully so um and we do fine
and we do find higher levels and cities like Chicago because of industrial background just because of the density of
city of cars that we historically Haddon in the cities and still have


in the presence of light comes from house paint and gas
gasoline leaded gasoline up until the late 1970s and so the
the amount of lead contamination that we find in urban soils fairly proportional to
proportional to the density of housing of aging housing stock and also I’m just population from the
elation from those of vehicles in a city like Champaign Urbana certainly we on if your
if you’re directly adjacent to a house that is fairly old the most likely
Lykke Li was painted with lead based paint then love will lead contamination candy


temptation can be an issue but the the source from leaded gasoline in a less density
that long term environmental impact is not going to be a substantial is a city like Chicago
Chicago and if you’re in a newer residential area sales subdivision that was lady
that was laid down 35 years or so is it reasonable
reasonably certain that the the things will be a little say for at least as far as a sled
is lead contamination is concerned think that would be inaccurate to assess Minton is specially
especially most of those newer developments are going to be further from the city Corp


the core further from those initial sources of the contaminants on your probably
does residential communities are probably on land that was farmland
farmland 30 years ago and so its on its likely less than 10 minutes now were here in
now we’re here in champaign-urbana and their various the garden community garden projects
projects were talking about some of them before the broadcast from what you know about that
about taking precautions badoo do the possible so I can temptation yamo store
yamo star in the number one way that the community gardeners take those precautions is to


precautions is to grow in raised beds and um this raised beds are smaller there
are there often times using lumber to create walls and then camping
capping the soil I was some type of barrier maybe landscape fabric and then feeling in with a couple feet
couple feet of compost the smaller scale version of Will Allen growing power
growing power base inch Lee create a gigantic raised beds on top of a cat Lots
that’s sometimes the words in acre in size lizard a smaller versions of what growing power does
growing power does okay what about um I think you were talking about water runoff


run off in in urban areas is that something that a Leatherman farming provide
informing provides a benefit to orzo are are are the risks involved with water contaminants
whats a good question one that we don’t really have the answer to get um
there’s a lot of speculation that’s been farming that might be a great benefits
great benefit of urban farming as a stormwater runoff is in a major problem in most
woman most US cities and so the ideas that if we got this thus far
does farm in a farm with olives healthy soil that’s going to sleep


is slowly percolators water maybe that’s a great way to reduce stormwater runoff
butterly Banos studies to show that that’s an actual benefits of urban farming slats
farming slats slats an area that are open to do some research on the future okay we have a call in now
Ellen now 11 David champagne welcome to focus on the air ok
number of people who have pulled out of urban gardening
because the fastest is a sociological problem can you improve
improve the big picture of your life by having Garden City


encourage people to not just walk in and have things to fit on a car door
hanging out there a problem to have another one
urban buildings
buildings from the soil
Detroit has been removed a dump truck and replace price
low grade have
praying and then 3 Inches of Blood


how do you handle it
forever David wondering about your first question
question using their instances where people are rating other people’s gardens and gets run over the vegetable
with vegetables how do you handle it and I dye my wish my Tazewell Allen
Will Allen that question but a is is is is that affected the people have to consider their everything
everything’s in close quarters here when you’re when you’re Garden in the city it is the end
and um in so many people on many organizations will put up fences


fences around urban farms because it is a business in this is the end
this is another produces a valuable commodity in so often times Frances Arnstein
senses are installed but you know people can conceal fences and son some cases
some cases you do Lisa produce so many unique challenges to urban farming and humans are one of them
are one of them really really maybe have more problems with deer better taking out some of your crops
and in this case um we have people taking a crap send a SPECT that will another phone
what will another folks um as their part of the urban farming movement would say that its not in tires


not entirely bad thing because somebody stealing fruits and vegetables from an urban gardener in urban farm
urban farm they probably really need it and um so that’s the worst things to be stolen
things to be stolen Ben 10 fruits and vegetables can probably be positive
yeah and so that’s that’s approaches some people take if they don’t necessarily put up fence is because they say
is because they say it’s kind of the community approach and there’s a PsyD of community food for
food forest springs and Pilar um they want to try to make it acceptable to all of that means you want to come in
you want to come in and out of the tree yourself for pulled out of the ground yourself on the net positive impact


positive impact in and that works really well for the non profit organizations but it is a very good point
very good points for the future of four profits urban farming what about the Dozen
does the soil? Brought up remind me with that?
you were just day we were talking about essentially soil being replaced
usually takes away the cops are because
because it’s not good for construction in the returners
return a set amount of time sunset and after grow on


I can imagine is not very good for growing crops yeah and that is a problem stove
problem so so even if um even if we find the soil isn’t contaminated
aminated with letter other heavy metals organic containment we still
we still find the most urban soldier of fairly low quality compaction is it you just you and
is it you just you and me and we run into compaction because of the fact that heavy machinery was used
is used for the initial purpose of Atlanta Amanda’s you mention topsoils remove dandruf left with that
left with the heavy clays and so some type remediation if not for contamination purposes


immigration purposes is needed to improve the overall quality of that swell and so it so you know if we’re not going
if we’re not going to be running raised beds does usually in need for some type of remediation
through the use of organic amendments sew a compass application Dora
order up some top soil that is mixed in with thats that if you want to call it native soil
so they think you very much for the contents of the gates the on the hope I was breaking
hope I was bringing up that save you if if if if you were living in a newer subdivision you could possibly
could possibly avoid lead contamination problems but you might be missing a lot of the original topsoil anyway


anyway we are on focus in WI allow talking about
about urban agriculture and right now we’re talking with Professor cent workman he is the leader
he is the lead investigator at the urban agriculture research lab at the University of Illinois
Illinois Department of crop science is not give us a call at 1 800 222
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email address wyll dust off at Illinois Dodge ETW you talk to


you talk to a little bit earlier about the about pollinators being a benefit or is that something
are is that something that’s lacking in urban areas when your Foreman what was the question the Tesla
Pizza miko Lee Dr level I ask a couple of years ago and because they thought was the
thought was that maybe urban gardens community gardens can actually help to increase pony
responder populations inside of urban areas but really
what they found was thats that pollinators are not
are not necessarily on the populations are not necessarily higher


higher in community gardens Android find other areas in so it it seems like that’s not here
that’s not a huge benefits of urban agriculture but um but um she is current
currently in studying other multifunctional benefits states does urban active
been trill landscapes to provide to cities to urban farms kit
get to the pollination of the need the need some justices
just to get by I don’t know exactly how that works in France far is a survivor
survival of plants that you just going from seed yeah and that was really the main finding um


um of their study was that they they are having enough pollinators at the sermon Garden
urban garden sights and so they were looking at Siena does having a buffer strip of saber
offset a perineal flowers around your garden does that increase pony
Polly are populations for your vegetable crops hour does Beano proximity to certain things
certain things in the landscape does that increase your props and sandwich
hands and what they found was that’s really the abundance of pollinators in urban areas
urban areas isn’t as much a problem for finding variable populations of pollinators at all these


all these community gardens and so that the doesn’t appear to be one of the challenges of implement
of implementing urban agriculture which is the positive Will Allen talked about love
about a vertical farming with others forming on on on on on
several levels of going up to make up to make up for the lack of available land
Land how does that work in how well do you know how well can that works as far as
what works as far as is is far is being keeping the keeping metastable in making sure
bowling making sure that everything has the light on the water that needs yes oh verbal farming


brookelle farming is a great concept and its it’s one that’s still very poor
still very preliminary and it’s one that we need a lot of Engineers to be working on because
working on because i right now the biggest turtle is is energy
um because when you start to grow vertically in Wilmington example of maybe a 100 story
100 story building where were we’re going for today inside of the challenge there is that
where is that it’s very energy intensive and extensive 2012
um to provide lights inside the building is going to be getting a lot of lights on the south


lights on the south side of the building artificial light switches is very energy intensive
intensive and then just the amount of heating and cooling um in that building
building to provide optimum temperatures for your crop environment is going to be on
it’s going to be very expensive is well in so there’s just a lot of on technical
technical challenges that need to be overcome before we see something like that
what’s become profitable in sustainable do you see um any
any simpler forms of vertical farming where someone might be working with a 20 or 30


two or three or four levels not something I need an elevator to get to ya ensign drilling
ensign really um you know I see what’s with growing power is already doing as a form a vertical
vertical farming example will touch down there aquaponic systems
aquaponic systems they typically have a fish tank that is built down into the ground
into the ground and then on top of that they have a structure where the water runs on top of
top of filtered out from plants that are going directly on top of that fish tank so you got
so you got two layers there and will mentioned maximizing on maximizing


maximizing every square foot on the way also need to think about maximizing every a cube
a cubic foot and so do you think about something like a green house right on the expense of infrastructure
infrastructure we need to think about um utilizing every cubic foot of space within the greenhouse
in the greenhouse inside another example is going to be doing some research I’m here on campus
Campus research center Dixon springs we’re going to be growing strawberries in vertical towers
hours for going to be stacking 5 pots on top of each other for a total of about 45
about 45 feet towers um and growing hydroponically sew in


nickel a sew in soil is media and we see that is a great way to
how to utilize every um cubic foot inside of a high tunnel
in situations remove oil contamination can you lies hydroponics in soil is media
Media I’m trying to get a visual idea of that if you have a positive
top of each other which direction are the plants growing growing up on the growing to the Sun
growing to the side what so the pots are staggered so you can put for strawberry
strawberry plants in each corner of the pot and then you stagger them on top of the


I’m on top of each other so they’re kind of coming out of the corner of each of those Poteau ok and so because
and so because it’s a strawberry strawberries work so well because it doesn’t put on a lot of vegetative biomass
biomass so it doesn’t necessarily need to grow up or out just kind of gross in place strawberries grow
strawberries grow in kind of hang off the sides of the pots and Ice everything able to get enough light
flight yes there’s Benson preliminary research originally Wendy’s
originally when is vertical systems came out you know going to that idea of maximizing every cubic foot
every cubic foot of the item space the original thought was let’s taxi Spotsy nw20 high


20 hi let’s put them all the way to the roof the greenhouse of course light became very limiting NC
and someone recently that scale back and 405 pot stack on top of each other
souther seems to be kind of the optimum number where the bottom part is still getting enough light to be
to be economically viable and how much savings and put your savings is the right word
word but how many more strawberries can you grow compared to just the flat ground
ground area of soil that would be taken out I’m not sure what the
what the exact number is but um its it is um more profitable


more profitable to to grow vertically in Illinois you know if that might not be the case
the case on anymore ideal strawberry growing environment like California butts
abuts the preliminary work that my clarity Jeff kinda hurts dun dun Dixon springs Houston
Asian that’s a vertical system is is more space intensive and profit
profitable for Illinois farmers want one question everything urban farming
farming on this comes to mine is is there a lot of extra effort needed in order to
order to water the plants in Minnesota specialized environment and is it


is it worth it in terms of land in terms of the year old get maybe this
maybe this Savings you get since you’re not trucking in food from a from rural areas
that’s a question that remains to be seen it
scene it is long term investment as is Willard e touchdown
it can be very expensive mansion $100 per cubic yard of compost
post so if you’re talking about you know the putting that compost on 1 acre
acre of land it starts at a pretty quickly and so there’s a very expensive


expensive on short term investment and working to be done to quantify
quantify some of the more long term social benefits health benefits
economic benefits in terms of job creation job training um if you’re just looking about
looking about the break-even point for your one year to year 3 it’s probably hard to justified
how to justify that type of farming I just economically but when we look at a longer a picture of
a picture of this time it starts to make a bit more sense well I wanted to thank you
thank you Sam workman for a talking with us today San workman is up with the Urban


with the urban agriculture research lab at the Department of Health Sciences at the University of Illinois
city of Illinois my things also to Will Allen of growing power who was on the
who was on the first half of our program and he will be speaking tonight Tuesday evening at 7
7 at the U of I Illini Union everyone thought you had
thoughts you have about urban agriculture in the days program your comments welcome in our website where you going
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