Oral History Interview: Bob Spitze of Urbana

October 09, 2007

Bob Spitze joined the Navy at age 21 after going through ROTC training in college. Soon after going through the Navy training program, he came back home and got married, only to then be shipped off to war. He was aboard an LST, which was a transport ship that often carried military vehicles like tanks and jeeps, or military personnel. Many of these ships were manufactured in Seneca, Ill., where the crews and officers would get aboard and travel down the Illinois and Mississippi Rivers, out to the ocean. This is exactly what Spitze did. While in the Pacific, he participated in the occupation of both Iwo Jima and Okinawa, two small Japanese islands. At Iwo Jima, Spitze says, he was witness to the great tragedy of the battle, and the final American victory when soldiers raised the American flag. For Spitze, World War II brought attention to the fact that we live in a global community. Now an economics professor at the U of I, he recognizes that the war was a result of certain global and national economic systems that allowed greed and the hunger for power to take hold of both economic markets and governments. But Spitze believes that we can ultimately recognize the importance of our global community and live at peace with one another. He and his wife have been educators ever since World War II, participating in educational efforts, not only in the U.S., but also in European countries during the reconstruction phase that followed the devastation brought about by the war.

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where is the veteran interview with Bob spritzee
for the veterans history project in studio X of Campbell Hall Fordham
will TV on October 9th 2007 collected by Jessie Phillippe
what start off
by asking were you aware of the war that was that was already going
going on overseas before Pearl Harbor was attacked yes yes


aware of it. In fact but also my family
family has been
should I buy warz 4x we know so I heard it from a family in my day
my dad was in ww1 the blood out the trenches of France
so where and what was going on
how do you find out about it through what news sources
I was off of fairly avid reader of


newspaper we don’t have TV horse
Radio wasn’t so common source of information so I used to
the newspaper ok what was
what was the general feeling of whether or not the US should get involved
brave in the country
MMI Ariel what I was at the university town
which I think was look different than the surrounding community cinema pessimism


hoops and apprehension about the war and I think that
Pharrell almost all communities we were we were
we were a nation that had withdrawn from the world essentially between the wars
we would be left alone I was our culture and keep leather cleaner
how popular were had to be officially against the war
it hard to get elected that was how I felt I was
apart of that So Raven


the mint
when and how did you join organ involved in the armed forces
answer the situation continued
where I was city what I heard a Pearl Harbor get its saying so much
so my best friend’s march down the street does the National Guard
guard I became very much personally more aware of it talk to my father a great deal
deal about it I had some real concerts problems as to whether I should


what it to be involved and I resolve those
satisfactory that this was what I need to do like my father and all
call my phone answer them so I did the best I could
Panda and serve us in the most out of a way I could Superman on it was how I
how I have a bald head sided to go into a baby and still the Army for happy
reps up because my dear father he said Robert
the baby at least has a place for you sleep every night


don’t forget those words and some white boy from the Midwest
I like the baby feels like in ROTC early college
College aya a joint that labels that was better when they would call her
call the shop so I got to my junior year in college and it was time for me to report
okay so how old are you at the time
1943 s 521
South Windsor Navy how did you feel when you said goodbye to you


it your family left home and went into the military
cervix feel that there’s a degree of of sadness and loneliness says
navigate to marvelous
companion that I can learn to play with in college
we were engaged but we’re going to wait till after or before marriage
is very difficult to say goodbye to my family
how tall do you have a sense of anticipation of something new


something new come along that had never experienced by boys Ben 10
open welcome to do I didn’t sweat it was a big stud kind of feeling I was going to make the
make the best of it and I assumed that it was most broadly experience I have ever experienced
I never had that I could get to spy on Broadway and West Hansell soon as I got involved in it
the sadness will replace someone by the day today commitment
and the New Deal chief else you just do things we did them Boyz capitulos contact
horse with my family by Maya fiance but the Bible


free fast haven’t gotten married before
don’t we were just engaged give her the ring
bring me to commit murder father and so forth but we BDK
petite other that we would each do the best we could everyday
birthday which President never missed a day in the Navy that means you
me and you get a power of letters some days and then you’ll get a per 2 3 months
she got the same thing


what was it like going from civilian life to military life

it was not just one but mine came a little slower
in the last days all of students language colleges had to go to ROTC
UCR in order to see what we had our address to my campus pencil
I was forced to sensually to take that which I took a sip of matter of course
like physical education something so I became a big


identified with Kim clinic with a military kind of a structure
I am and all that goes with a tenant before I actually go in labor
baby soft I’ve had two years of that before Black Sabbath 3 years that
before I got to have to do the naval David
just one what do difficult mean when a potato a rebellious
person that invented but I am at I’m able to adapt whatever the situation
the situation is not very useful as I came in the situations abs


workouts to have to learn to take it on the chin
so being that you
where in ROTC to go like we’re not sure when you enlisted
list it or did or did you have to bite Baltimore training
training and other good luck for trading ROTC has two
has two levels and I know it as a first two years for everybody holster
Austin’s remember if you wanted to get more specializations


commissioned you take two more years I had chosen by the end of year Aly
baby instead of at party so I did not go into the
upper division lltc okay so that I’m at now was in the stream
how to become an officer in the Naval Reserve
I trained two different universities Wanted Arkham City College in southern Arkansas
Arkansas access my home aerial view Arkansas homeschool
at Arkansas am at Law School the seventh brother state became a trading round


foster we spent four months there and then I was shipped to
2 Columbia universty of all places in New York City New York City
contrast a farm boy from the Ozarks find yourself a little too
institution in the middle of the richest cities in the world and I found it both challenging
little bewildering tremendously informativa awakening soul
soul in training at Columbia University for four months pregnant job cut
the potter’s wheel to speak up at Lee is a graduate actually got my


commissioned the Cathedral Cathedral Saint John the Divine New York City the Great
red tube station that swear that’s where I was commissioned in the bed gotta
short for low with my commission infant insert
Vinson commissioned Panda wet back home that’s one
my dearest not decided would rather spend the rest of War Marry the not so wee
we had a shorter period for hanging a wonderful wedding of people
the people who are still around 34 days Honeymoon Island


party company
what kind of things do they teach you in the neck
in all the service the first
the first thing is discipline you learn to take an artery carry
carried out of the surgery what difference of university life
Black River surveyor select have her singing many people could not do that they had a great day
great difficulty I found it the harsh femdom Jackson


Jacksonville but I lied aptitude what’s the first thing but sexually
but you you further your skills I took mathematics
pixel a social science flagyl side of War history 11
whole gamut of underage drinkers subjects of Brandon
always the drill drill drill drill learnt
learn to stand there and take the golf whatever
cuz you got to confirm you got it for me so that that support all the service


the part of a bell for trading in front of guy in 224 specific things of
alpha leadership of leadership training
Panda how how you take command of the vessels
if your communication officer in charge of that that’s what you get a more specialized
what you do all this s*** look like all night they want more of it
people out of rain hurt so up as long as you did your job and work hard
start with shy did I enjoy New York City terminus Leafly culture their butt


you work hard if you do your job and they do come out passing by
passing Busters was speak you get the condition when you start having take responsibility put the rapper
practice the things that you learn

face in the Navy so which
UC Irvine I turned on on two ships


the time I got to have it we were primarily in Mississippi end of the world just this feeling
Atlantica not to sad but I would’ve been the best of head
so great dealer Western war
twerk hip hop books shipping island to island
so I served on two kinds of habeas ships the biggest Southern College
ship take they were designed as a big tub
to transport the only troops for also equipment trucks


trucks takes all the other girl goes long to work with in the future
tell me I was like and I served on 14
in for a few months USS 7:30
pretty ships handbags Chesapeake area Learning
Miranda the goalies are the functiob life and actually help train other crews
but then they were forming a new cruise to take the ships into the western Pacific
so I became a part of a crew of which we form to train together at a


daddy day camp camp Bradford Inn in Virginia and then what are ship
became available we transport it right back here to Illinois
where they rebuilding the zealots tease on the Illinois River at 7
Pacifica pier built Chevrolet
Chicago Art of Steel Company was hard to just come out
build a head assembly line on the river that turned out these ships from
probably what’s the weakest aspect huge production process


are ship is ready to be launched LST 642
what is the other crew and XDR spouses came for lunch
the peninsula in the LA River we gotta win it with our crew about
about 90 of classes of of of a non-commissioned
Russian people have gone to ship wrote it down there Illinois River
River and the Mississippi River Delta New Orleans outfitted it there
and then and then and then I thought it was getting ready for the Midwestern


experiential app to Panama Canal of the Western core support post
took it out Hawaii did some trading block in Beijing
patience rabbit Hawaiian Islands and then we’re heading on
about time we got there the Marshall Islands leave at 5 Mariana Islands
droid security and they were being used as staging area for the rest of Lee
warpath and I swear first preparation and engagement
David was he would Jima and that was for the products. Obviously


what did you really sense what they’re what terrible war is and what it can do
can and cannot do but that’s what’s up how was your first experience
what was it like on board the LST
free unlimited well it was early livable as my dad
edit Word you have a place to eat sleep and you do and is long as you’re here
cruising cross the Pacific is a fairly nice sweet ass dance
the comfortable ships obviously working for officers to what we have to stay true


on the main deck where is the crew of the various levels of the crew had to
who have different kinds of combinations down in the hole and I’m sure they’re there couple
I got there what is was actually a bad good food what’s a little
but if I have a metaphysical church did Arizona’s practice long with ulcers look
and all the military like a part of you to accept this
SD reader part of a URL part of it so other day when life was challenging
learning responsible with joy Colorado lottery


and we were always aware of the tiger be getting worse
because we’re getting closer and closer to the point of engagement start
take a lot more seriously don’t forget the last time way
last night we were in Hawaii was in charge of communication
Asian office that was my role which are the communication ship we had about separate officers charged
charger different parts of the ship Humana golf shirts that give off certain 500
how was it different sex and up Maya bhai ki radio


what did you go out and see some of Honolulu the last night
I’ll probably unwisely said yes
Panda we were quite ready the next morning to hurry up to medications like we should
we shouldn’t and we’re actually had a big commander on our ship
and I’m sure he was watching me all I long to see whether I would really miss anything
is a guy hits a list of stuff about ready for cuz I made that decision
what the young man had worked all night at the crib with noise and see where it goes next morning


wanted but so Calif Asian face
were never talk about the locations that you some of the locations at your service
evil Jima tell me about someone
the locations of deserving Bell after after human Gmail
iPad job was to deliver deliver Marines on the beach which we did
the burning of the invitations never forget that of course


and then we had a lot of equipment so I took a selfie several days to get that
disgorge condoms at the beach
and then a job was to retract and go back
and get the additional supplies that the staging area which we did
how to write I was able to to see the tragedy of the
demon invasion of the flag going up at all
all that stuff in Phase I


about Cher we we had a couple hundred
what breeds are on the ship getting ready to go in
NFL HOF officers next April we had another
read officer of medicine in the same room and I got to get well
what will equate with a lieutenant from the east and the brains
neighbors Harvey and the
I’ll never forget the morning the invasion hero Bob


Eli Manning make it true here’s my wifes amazing
Maid sama dress would you please let her know
when will the weather be what you love. Many people survived at home folder is terrible terrible
that’s what he was going after the second day we were
we weren’t formed about it it was the hardest thing I’ve ever done life was to
I write a letter to his wife so after
then we’re getting ready for Okinawa which was the next big engagement


so we went in 20 can I was with you the whole process again it was a much longer
corrected invasion that he would Jima that was a black cumblast
6th Man of the mainland Mary Pearson Ford
how are I get a job with the ticket troops baking supplies
of which we did Lady Gaga pretty well doing hard job
the suicide bombers were coming id Fighter coming for that time of Fortune Wii worth
spared that but I had to have a lot of experiences of


f how you how you carry on this comment terrible tragedy of
are the effects of it and still maintain your sanity
so far out with them a beer getting back in the Philippines but I don’t feel
the Philippines be scared weird that I use the Philippines estate Jr getting ready to go into Japan
so we’re pretty well long vibration tool and we had the pontoons on the
Google decide the ship but your used to bridge a gap between of the doors on the bay
on the beach not wait for sure what you’re going to so we had those on we weren’t


got the news of the end of the war and why
whats up a little celebrated occasions quick
Piccolo and Gohan map we will always always information

the Destroyers remedies for taking huge hotel of Alice to use another
Scripps ancillary flooring long between somewhere around
around the area of Philippines and Japan


the news came through that the war was over
and we had a little bit of a maverick cover captain
kissing guy cumming joi the real bad so he told
Tobias Critic a child tell a turn toward the United States
pencil Hellman slave ship around Big formation
and the commander of the flotilla beat leaf what are your intentions
we’re heading home he said I suggest you get back information sur so


edict of worms off I’ll get back in
back and long time to restart home but the that was a video reaction to get home
call me when you get out of this works I don’t think he was her
that but the other forget it I
where there any dangers of your work other
other other than battle related dangerous like on the 5th
will health insurance health problems can be watch live


watch love that we didn’t have much time we actually had one offer we had to put a shore
because of seasickness interesting psychological phenomena
most of asking to chat adapter with almost always get sick of sushi
sushi on the ship in it what you’ll get sick in the bed you get over it and you’re good
and so I almost went through that we had what officer Tippit could not get well as win football
sure of course
quite good medical care because we had Cortland


Autotrader AZ S&R doctors with traders fair for that on the ship
but then we get to shore what weed gets taken care of
family of war related
Ina Garten what are the invasion Jr menu nutrition
the warrior always subject to to me submarines
MBLAQ time to work wasn’t too much aircraft over summer
around but then it in Beijing time there will be air craft and then


Atlanta for the word the suicide bomber say we just come in headlight into the show
H&R 22 exploded parts of the LSD was not that big
that big dragon favor try to get a battleship on a carrier
cibellis T’s were were hit by suicide bombers
weather for your ears to your subject to the Windsor
map of weather will the Pacific Ocean is called its a beautiful place to be
what it’s furious it’s a terrible place to be so we were caught in one type of


Thai food essentially between the iPad Philippines and
hand up Okinawa weather I suppose
post predictions rolling cash 5 past looks like we should have a boyfriend but we just found a sales right now but love it
the Terrible typhoon and all you did was just held on
Vanguard shipping today to Florida round round
huge waves also a coarse fine layer image over
is over and I should I not go down but there are some ships lost in those terrible weather


weather related accidents
okay so I had to Griffith in
free vivid
so so then you were actually read when you in combat
eva angelina evil Jima and Okinawa and we’re getting ready to be
lesbian Japan which most of us are quite sure what animal was terrible
innovations in the world ever see Russia snus


Stickley ideaology of the Japanese tragic fight I’m sure
Sherman Expect When will prevail like we did in Europe
were you ever wanted to know
will a ship never came under direct fire
virtually Minneapolis to use there their
Larry hit by 11 get hit with a with a


with AR Marshall that would be over with our course if a Japanese have to
think about what they would normally not do after us so I can
no I came out and scabies the physically believe
deadly but wiser you with your brother fast
look back on a steak at age of 21 22 23
terminus changes much more of inform
person which works. What’s more expensive now


person the world not just a state in United States in the sense that
we are apart of a global community graduate I think Cable videos
the office and that was one of one of it. Love you for
euphoria for me like the other veterans we do
we do or do not be the only answer to human existence but what to do about it
and we were aware that there was talked about United Nations Wrightwood
is right with the world is going on the last year of the world alot of hair for tonight


sting every month of the invasion de Vegeta price of a day
our president and the other for beating
I’m making plans for the first international conference which was held at
San Francisco latter part of that month to launch the United Nations
which one of the great human visions that throws ever
will the note and it brought a lot of Hope to Minneapolis
Shirley this is a better way to go and we are proud we are apart of a c***


what country that would give readers ship to that it was respected and sets at war
can’t be the answer for this not the first answer that
Secretary General United Nations said the previous one head coach who won the Great was I think
he didn’t get that coffee is very much because of what has been going on the last Friday
last 5 years what he said war has to be the last resort not the first resort and so true
truth so that there will be sensed that wear what they wear
should get a period when are children or grandchildren I have to go to work


like everyone of my generation I go back and forth every generation has to fight the law
Michael Oher and I might say the period of the sixties and seventies
where where a period me a forecast for a lot of that America
Krishna walk in the picture Leroy the course of something different
Motley done a lot of problems with lot better than the alternative
and we sense that the world was undergoing tremendous change that euphoria
has given away to a great deal of fat does sorrow and and I


I’d say a disillusionment too many abortions last 10 15 years
when we go out of course and the fact that we might
we might allow ourselves to be engaged to another international
gagement goes on for years and years is unsinkable
Patrick wild
do you remember
in in battle remember any sights sounds


smells are sensations that were particularly
the student out for tickly ne what I do get the ring sights
smells sounds are sensations that stood up for taking me in in battleon
will certainly have a tremendous
sights and sound of
invasion cannot be forgotten
battleships behind you wallpaper over


most powerful bombs at that time are the 4th island
itsy an island just completely cleared of all known
old humans and vegetation through that process is a
is a sight to behold the site to to be respectful and be worried
be worried I’ll be asleep with tremendous destruction and then we were involved
different troops into Japan for several months
baking supplies into the lair of the forces that were occupied


if I am and as soon as we got into Yokohama harbor
after they had 1 train running between the shipyard downtown
alcohol downtown Tokyo and the sea that from men
Mendez urban community completely devastated sexy nothing standing
nothing is hard to imagine that could happen in the center
the center of Tokyo in there we found the Imperial Palace area was was on skates
escorts that was delivered but not bombed not destroyed to try to deceive


the sea if we couldn’t gauge do the Japanese to surrender through through that serve processed
but that that that that that says she the best devastation that can happen
happened hot it is its awesome I’ve been back to Japan
since then I know exactly what will a human beings can do
modern efficient form of the cities of the world
I seen those two what time is what they would become destroy
Delaware the human being can can construct


I can build and we as people and societies have choices
and we understand and I thought it surely will make rational choices
that’s what the reason why I’m so glad that we had to scrape were serious I think it helps
what helps maybe a lot of people today I have no idea what the hell never stay working
twerking do and because we both stared at by March in this country
atleast had a chance to learn about it LED lights for business
sight and sound owl ever forget


what what were the worst moments that your witness to
what’s your number will have of eluded
to them softly departing my love
I love my family was in terrible bullet formy the Thai food
food with a terrifying experience in the different kind of W
double vision itself a terrifying experience
and I just see the destruction afterwards I was Justin


Deli in my mind I can never paid I can take pictures
dailyom never forget them
the human tragedy of having your friend killed we didn’t have it so much
what’s the Navy sea urchin a city but the closest I had was this
friend of the Marine who live with goodbye
buy that word again he would never breathe again
the well in the bridge with army experience at all the time


will the baby its the Seas ship hip to know what’s going on there
hardcore to feel the fury of of weather
f*** me like that I have some tragedies of crew going down the Mississippi
Mississippi how we had one crew and I decided couldn’t take
couldnt take it so I tried to swim with weed. Wood River
river for safety as we record down somewhere around luge
Louisiana last night before you guys New Orleans and he decided make a swim Ford


self rejection and that we knew the next morning it was
board and then we as a communication officer
I got a message that the body has been found floating dearest and we’ll never fight
define assets are what are sailors the Big Dipper decision points come with tragic play
sex with the young man do you have to do that
baby photos of better that way but it was a tragedy
what it was we felt very rare kill about


what’s the word
a chaotic time frame
it was it was chaotic in terms of love surround me
brown bags in terms of of my personal life existence it was not so chaotic
I was able to have that was able to see our God is able to bring order into it
and so I did not have eyse the psychological impact that that some
chaos did anothers on the way back I’ll never get that what we’re finally


funny discharge new Manila and I got on a carrier
come back to United States have about a week or two Distillery long though
pure luxury so to speak and I spent that time headless hours
completely alone essentially triglycerides rest of my life what I want to do but I came
I came back home and I’ll be free drive but my bride
and try to make some sense out of my life what do I do with my life so I can still remember
Riverwalk in this by the beautiful mood lights of suffocation


trying to figure out just what do I want to do what I had to sort it out
reverse options I hadn’t values I would Express why do I would it
what would it to continue education I felt like the place that I like
I can do it myself and I also help others what is the white part of it
it was it was a dick amateur latina
. Said it took me another year or two after I got back and
potatoes cool before I was able to side exactly what I want to do is Greer


came and then turn it on its been graveyard music by professional
national life has been wonderful great ecstasy of joy of my life and I both had
I found what I want to do something I thought was worthwhile the covers
copper sheeting I still remember rev limit
what didn’t you believe
was at stake in the war at the time
ice a sink I understood pretty well with the world up against


what carefully use my words
we found in World War II leading up to it
that an economic system can be extremely
useful are configured correctly complete terribly destructive of a human
Big and soul capitalism
what is going to buck buck in Japan
Japan it going to back in Germany and Italy a cure


Kepler’s which is people who use the power of the brackets
rocket system in a complete gun control way to achieve their as witches
which is Ctrl and that coupled with very little
Arno democratic government I’ll be physical with lizard thicket Oregon that combination
of uncontrolled
unlearn of regulated capitalism
coupled with military couple liquor shop


is a tremendously Liesel think it has salt tragedy this world. Raft
so I just did that was going on and it is a fact
affected the way I’ve tried to deal with my own understanding of economics
a public policy making of government aMDA
I think that that we’ve got a continued reminder
remind yourself that we understand what it is it weird talking about we talk about economic system
sweet talk offical systems can I personally am very strongly


respectful of democracy I don’t think of a better way to organize yourself
resolving conflicts I think that some kind of a market system is what
what the best ways but cannot be an uncontrolled bracket does a bucket system control
is fishes but the combination of a democracy
in a market system can be tremendously powerful forces and Hagar shore
what they can now to clean Europe has taken the toilet
turn they did for 400 years they are now since it go to work together


help bring peace among cells in the world and user command economic
cleco power for good beans
so yes I think I knew it was going on
and I got to be going on in this world the last 10 years or so freakin grown country
rapper Slim extremely distressed about it feel like we must
we must learn that there’s more to life in morgue
what does society mean Tripoli using military power to achieve some place to live


ask me something for the Deaf
so I presume that that your idea of what was going
what’s going on well I’m sure changed someone
in what ways did it change or did you know if you have an idea what was going
what was going on the whole time
no I never been out this world before and so I learned something about
what was going on in Japan and then when the first things


I have no idea but I got back my wife and I can’t I hear of studies at the first Summer
we used up some savings should saved up somebody from her cottage
college teaching I have some saved up the service we had to reach out find out so
we join other students from all across this country that formed all kinds of
study tours to Europe so we step 10 weeks in Europe
working with student groups in those countries trying to find out their vision
visions of a different world cuz I just been through it late see their countries destroyed


Anderson from Ennis Lee informative wake me spirits
can I gradually understood then more than I had before of what
what what football Europe have its problems changing
was terminus lady in crazy in 2 minutes late invigorating
waiting to be a good night with me back to your many times since
professionally at the I’m still its wrong with the tremendous changes
taking place in left for the world within a matter of 50 60 years


compare to win it been throughout Earth’s history that shows what can be done
human beings its to sleep can bring about change if they are so inclined
what kind of things did you learn when you were like
educational military in Europe
Europe well a learn
rather quickly let students from Scotland from France from
a from Austria where all customer feelings


feelings will have super aspirations sure we have different ethnic backgrounds
my background is true and I love all my ancestors German Layal
all were part of the German culture they all left Germany because of their
disaffection with what they have been doing
women in their war like in them in their dictatorial waste so as you are
as young people all my ancestors came to this country pay their own way
The Gambia part of a different experiment in human history


going over there I’m sensing the young people in Germany were not like
f*** my hot sisters had experienced things were different there too but they were still struggling
struggling very much and I let them know the meaning of a government listen to ABBA
Tabitha debated what kind of cookies do they want what are coming future they want
going on at all these countries have been really quickly there a vault
a sense of communion among those countries sought France and Germany
England protect its force to keep fighting the good fight a street history


why do we figure out a way to resolve differences and so that was a beginning of a European
European Union which is not really strong force politically economically
economically and socially throughout the world there’s always gonna be different groups
groups and leaders always going to be German background app refresh your just like to go to be
Illinois background of Wisconsin background but you can still rise above
is a bump that there’s something called the human race that has silver
aspirations where to get to get me to not do it suit only


only private Esperanza through private sick thinking my old mine and my
hand and we’re trying to suck it up now so
speed lot of my time at retirement what does 2 working with young groups
in this community wonderful young people with it still work with and tried to see as late
I tried to put new ideals in the derivation of a kind of cookie are they want to be a
how to be a part of it we tried to duration and courageous
benefits part that’s where the future is a recognized or not


directions something’s gotta change we cannot we cannot continue waste our resources
container planter we cannot configure provide for own resources of NJ
education and health did the structure and then duh
we can’t get erection at doctor of the future so that its that kind
what kind of a division that has been erased
can be at is it so we’ve gone through this night lifetime
time of 84 years of depression


of the tremendous war of euphoria after war ensemble
disillusionment now but still white after pristiq but the human being have
big has to something more than be concerned about their own personal welfare
Alderwood goals and objectives out there something beyond them
call themselves
what does water is going to require a very effective efficient car


what kind of of police force human beings are not
necessarily innately gorgeous
before piece Vergo have conflicts that so I gotta figure out how to resolve
resolve the conflicts peacefully thats what education do it for the justice system
and we got to have a police force with that have military force to protect
protect these things but not to enter is it not enough to talk to
talk to precipitate the very thing were trying to stop the specs for the military


for the police for a justice system for our political leaders
m24 specs for entrepreneurs to make arm economic system work
for everybody not just for their own greedy self the labor group
the farmers way all got something we can do if we learn that we are part of a
part of a community be on our selves
during the war did you write home often
every day every day I would write


and I can still remember I know the things I would say and I try to share
anime with Kleck be the course of the whole crew and I would get to shore bags
bags and later file a get back my wife would get a bunch of day
and we find our own much so I get a letter from her that was the day that everyday
everyday but big hard ball of fur I wanted to
I would that spread out so I just start them
Avenue let her everyday hello we’re out. In the between


between the engagement
David art in this country
what are the art forms are the courses is that the art of love
all the movies and we had some tremendous movies
the two movies that that help me understand he would Jima Flags of Our Father
father and Amanda Letters from Iwo Jima watch stores
reverie lived and died recognized while I was out there


they’re not recognize more sip time I was writing to my dearest
talking about how I know I thought we’re doing pretty good job without weed food with whatever
River Japanese soldiers write to their wives of racing way they were here
over here and think about me when she with 20,000 young men
we’re riding home do I need never get out there live
but still have the right home they did absolutely Dursban found
how do you say how do you tell your loved one I’m doing what is right but I never seen


never see you again mMmmm
art can do that the movies can do that lived under 2 minutes job I think
porn speaking of life
movies that end in art that have
look back at War how do you how do you view
review the books in historical accounts in Arden and movies
list of ww2 and the events surrounding your experiences


rancid like expensive part of the weather in urine
I give a passing grade at night I think that it’s done
it’s done a lot of good and it’s a bit different assessment grade
can I take the extent to which the artist was trying to convey something very real
real apartments rent in Suffolk December sellers make a couple minutes
what’s the difference in a lot of trash great deals on the tube
two best trash I’ll be sleeping here entertainment file another table thats sad


Atlanta large build around Warsaw from time together it so I see some
Pizza movies he would you I thought were useless of me loves all bills
pride and patriotism in great heroic efforts of individual ribbon
how sad terrible it is thats what I think so the moviegoer
movie makers have graduate learn the come back after meniscal condition that be the best movies
holier than this about all parts or not just you would you look for sex with it
recognized and not just movies in minutes


how old delimar in Jackson this community in his art
understand that he would be in a relationship
small heart heart to do that
second chance to see any episodes of the burn
burns from what I’ve seen samples on my side I do not
Hickory point because of other commitments that the family has had enough
pick up lunch time take it all but I’ve looked at the parts of it


I am a turkey does a barback job I like this previous average salary
PBS is doing Forest we work hard to help it survive is what a great it’s too
institutions of our earth culture Robert Burns
is a great artist in the previous ones is done about the Civil War
brothers I’m going to say that I only did he made the choice
take the world be better off having seen this and I hope that
NFC lot of people seen a lot of my younger friends I didn’t realize this isn’t what wars


tremendous joy
if I ever get really retire doll price for the item that look at everything to everyone
what I have done it yet
sorry Glenn Beck
back to the matter that you were riding home did you describe
at like a scribe what you were actually in
experiencing in your letters or digits like did you


making your stomach roll
is personal Los Angeles with reminiscing reminiscing with my Perry
apparently with my wife and him talk about social interaction
directions around the ship of I would
I would often try to characterize what physical what’s going on but
I’m bad by law and by sensorship we had to be very careful on that we were charged
charge of the troops and I’ll never forget that the tragedy wheels off her head


the center of every letter when we from our crew and then we had you separate cut out parts
I had I could face up to the fact that I would
I would I would release a letter from what are crew members evil carelessly said I should
should’ve said some things because we are advised to pick it up talk about the war that’s
legal and we had to take it out in the water but his wife daughter is loved one
what to get a letter laugh was cut out with Office probably have a wart control
Controller Pro u listen what we did but we would


Wilfred say things that I’m sure I left them at idea where we were lyrics with tell him where we were
what was mostly personal gives relief
sit down and have pleasant thoughts and beliefs
relief from from the boys on androud
reading a was a better course
how was it for how was it for your wife
how did you how was your wife coping with the war


well I can only without baking soda
remember what she said and we talked about a great deal she’s always been over 8
very committed person she decided that did 5 years of age to be a teacher
she’s ever let it from bad to use a great high school teacher original versity teacher
teacher great parish is known throughout the world in her field
and so she was committed to that and then she started then but itchy
high school Oregon shooting abolish job I’m sure you tell me about that


iPad she was so you moving up through the ranks of love
great teachers what I came back and then she decided
I decided we would start a bar so we went to graduate school sex with together
she had to interrupt her as long as I f*** your family start because we delay
would like that long enough so she did not about the turnover ratio of kids to have it also
she stayed home I like to kids were young and tender
when I go to school to be then she went back to school she got her doctor then


later than I did and tigress
what we got here in 1960 I have my doctor died
what I had Rabita professor Tennessee in I had it up to here and she had her
Federer new doctor and she came to campus and have negative urine test
temperatures of meat despotism is a policy that grip
depression but maybe other places to visit that they cannot have more
have more than one member of a family employed in some public agencies such as you


University are high school and so we have nepotism hearing are statures
airtight and I live in streets near that time would not roulette Norway
will we change this because it hits the very basis of Survivor something on some nonsense
my phone does not take that lightly
she was skinny Comanche was qualified and sew what open camera
makemeup she applied for a chicken out of the top PA ranking in the country of celebs
so that her goodness trader at this university was able to take those recommendations


directions to go to her provost of time save this is what you doing tonight
why women spouses a chance to tell me the gender at 14 weeks
we had we had wonderful educated women in the sciences social sciences I spent 20 years
being nothing more than just a place
classroom teacher in sections to be able to be used to exercise the rights and privileges in response
responsibilities of assault herks
strong enough to save a special K accept you if letter word like in 1962


listen to she was great add exception to this rule and so she was probably the first 10 years
take your spouses of put it on this campus which were very poor Ellen and she’s proud
is proud of and it went on for another 10 years before I forget this
chains that look like a member I was able to help bring about a change in this time
there was a great day we took it to the Senate finally got it prove it baptism is not the way to go
so now I was glad heart couples with couples
how to tell me what a woman has almost the same rights as men obviously not quite


quite but they look different that was back in those days of sushi cooked
murdering her job very strong willed person during the summer
in summer when they were in class she volunteer to go to the Pentagon
she was the type of typing for computers
you type all archers 16 pages with carbon copy
she was good at that and so she help with the war by working out
the Pentagon between her her kitchen


sushi story about those things
what what did you look forward to the most when you thought about
what about coming home from work I love driving my house
buy a wife and couldn’t see my family again
the second thing was getting back into education
feeling Big Student of Learning Abroad mind because ID seen so much I needed to
Atlanta to consolidated and so are the travel to Europe


health Tucson that and we both went on 3 together
guitar advanced degrees because that’s way we were getting some sense of what
what are worthless how we might make a contribution
so it was not a smooth path
sleepless nights as I was trying to figure out what I want to do I clear showyourdick
teacher. You have to worry about my life is not quite that clear so it took me a long time
about Lorde at the mountain children as a search and struggle how it feels


what do that too what time
this is tape 2 of veteran interview
interview with Bob Spitz seeds from Urbana Illinois for the veteran
veterans history project in Campbell Hall Studio X
WRAL TV October 9th 2000
after the war was over was it possible for you to


put it behind you complete me online free
pirate windows already made it possible I didn’t
I didn’t mean to. Didn’t want to I think there must be some experience
. Submit experiences of veterans at the symptoms of not want to stay in that provide
but even think about it I’m saying that because I need something
they have to get out of some point probably are still maybe this will help
I felt like I could talk about I haven’t I haven’t spend a great deal time my family over my head


wake me up at does it it wasn’t something I just want to spread the word but I would not
apologetic for a lot in Paris by and have not ashamed of it
what is just part of experience that Pat Benatar been asleep for tomorrow
part of my life and I was Radiohead
continue to like participate in
Mike Wayans OR
the American Legion or things like that no I haven’t


how I have
dog injection to people who want to tell you that
that was not experienced that ice
I fake it so great that you swear to keep on living
what to keep a pet you get the Patriot in military
not proud of people who have chosen that I knew what to but I hope that
I hope they don’t go for that to the extent of everything else either to be social


social interaction is much more productive on issues having to do with the community
50 Avenue of the problems we have having to do with the ways that we can move ahead
where is a great dealer Miller trade
camaraderie has been
the perpetuation that myself that I didn’t I didn’t
can picture you want it song by thats a player but I didn’t


Elizabeth Warren qualitative
question but what about your experience
experience and that of others in Spanish
infinite flight positions in the war tu
you was what do you think was
what significance is significant or important about that experience


variance to our understanding of work today
I think that the interaction of head with other
what other veterans which can be both casual and can be freely serious
and I are welcome to Adam David gage in that but it’s been
casual is Ben and not that big
but I know I have talked to
so my colleagues who are in the in the ground war side


I said that they had something different but I did
let’s shake their experiences shape their there and then I’m glad I love
learn that in the air I lost one of my
strongest relatives have a cousin I grew up with
he was there when he was lost and I I think about that quite a bit
what are tremendous loss there was two societies with with his
with his Lost disappear because of happenstance I’m sorry about


about that and I could multiplied by thousands thousands of course
ha war is not something I do well
dwell on Ioad well on conflict which is so real
reel around us all the time mn professional Presley I have a strike
strive continuously to figure out how it is that I can help
be a part of a society that learns to be different with resolve
resolve its problems without violence that Shirley has to be there


the ultimate objective of a human being
think I have a couple of a
Chapel of the questions but I think he kind of answer them
I could have what do you think people
today should know about when you personally went through
I’m not sure my personal experience this is 40
I think that the people today need to understand what war


war is what can be accomplished by what cannot be accomplished
diet and what it means to the individuals who were involved people
people like must understand that just the same as a misunderstanding
how banking system works
job works in a skilled craftsmen are a professor or doctor
doctor lawyer they need to understand these things and in that sense I think that the
the lady took to understand what being in the war at the same way the donor


dubste what’s like big police officer officer a police officer is
engage in what I gave them for years of my life played gage edit their lifetime
and I try to understand that I tried respect that and I try to
try to say it but they have responsibilities they only have a limited rolled
cold like I have a limited role hot and soul
so I think that we should never cease to reach out to understand
first and others who are differed from the difference


different the work until I try to understand people who believe differently live differently
religions and river flows is life different occupations
understand me gaybe something from that and give something to
do it so that we could all live peacefully on this little hooker
of course was floating around in the universe we can live peacefully
sleep and enjoyable and it is possible just has to be
and I’m sort of a man id list I supposed to respect by season


educational seen the first also a wonderful studio
students have had so many many years I see what they got what they’ve done
done and I know people you didnt do it in a field trip to floss at of Houston
do students that somehow I think I’m going to fail but lost their lives you
is usually buy Self Indulgence someway somehow I must a failed some way
subway mm most of my memories are positive
I see the tremendous the tremendous thing of the species we call


what we call the human beings of Monk on natural world vivere
different by chance I think through evolution
processes which I have to believe this is really strong force
and so we could do things that others cannot do
in this world but you do things we can do and there’s no reason that we
that we can’t somehow be compatible with the natural world around us
epaulet natural world is people so let’s figure out how to make a pattern


compatible with other human beings astilbe different because we’re different
I’ll get from my wife think I’m different vine Abrams
my brother has weight should be but we can still respect in India
can enjoy be on the same planet and get along with each other
that’s all I have
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I think I can cover