Oral History Interview: Bob Spitze of Urbana

                                    
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where is the veteran interview with Bob spritzee 

for the veterans history project in studio X of Campbell Hall Fordham 

will TV on October 9th 2007 collected by Jessie Phillippe 

what start off 

by asking were you aware of the war that was that was already going 

going on overseas before Pearl Harbor was attacked yes yes 

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aware of it. In fact but also my family 

family has been 

should I buy warz 4x we know so I heard it from a family in my day 

my dad was in ww1 the blood out the trenches of France 

so where and what was going on 

how do you find out about it through what news sources 

I was off of fairly avid reader of 

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newspaper we don’t have TV horse 

Radio wasn’t so common source of information so I used to 

the newspaper ok what was 

what was the general feeling of whether or not the US should get involved 

brave in the country 

MMI Ariel what I was at the university town 

which I think was look different than the surrounding community cinema pessimism 

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hoops and apprehension about the war and I think that 

Pharrell almost all communities we were we were 

we were a nation that had withdrawn from the world essentially between the wars 

we would be left alone I was our culture and keep leather cleaner 

how popular were had to be officially against the war 

it hard to get elected that was how I felt I was 

apart of that So Raven 

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the mint 

when and how did you join organ involved in the armed forces 

answer the situation continued 

where I was city what I heard a Pearl Harbor get its saying so much 

so my best friend’s march down the street does the National Guard 

guard I became very much personally more aware of it talk to my father a great deal 

deal about it I had some real concerts problems as to whether I should 

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what it to be involved and I resolve those 

satisfactory that this was what I need to do like my father and all 

call my phone answer them so I did the best I could 

Panda and serve us in the most out of a way I could Superman on it was how I 

how I have a bald head sided to go into a baby and still the Army for happy 

reps up because my dear father he said Robert 

the baby at least has a place for you sleep every night 

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don’t forget those words and some white boy from the Midwest 

I like the baby feels like in ROTC early college 

College aya a joint that labels that was better when they would call her 

call the shop so I got to my junior year in college and it was time for me to report 

okay so how old are you at the time 

1943 s 521 

South Windsor Navy how did you feel when you said goodbye to you 

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it your family left home and went into the military 

cervix feel that there’s a degree of of sadness and loneliness says 

navigate to marvelous 

companion that I can learn to play with in college 

we were engaged but we’re going to wait till after or before marriage 

is very difficult to say goodbye to my family 

how tall do you have a sense of anticipation of something new 

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something new come along that had never experienced by boys Ben 10 

open welcome to do I didn’t sweat it was a big stud kind of feeling I was going to make the 

make the best of it and I assumed that it was most broadly experience I have ever experienced 

I never had that I could get to spy on Broadway and West Hansell soon as I got involved in it 

the sadness will replace someone by the day today commitment 

and the New Deal chief else you just do things we did them Boyz capitulos contact 

horse with my family by Maya fiance but the Bible 

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free fast haven’t gotten married before 

don’t we were just engaged give her the ring 

bring me to commit murder father and so forth but we BDK 

petite other that we would each do the best we could everyday 

birthday which President never missed a day in the Navy that means you 

me and you get a power of letters some days and then you’ll get a per 2 3 months 

she got the same thing 

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what was it like going from civilian life to military life 

 

it was not just one but mine came a little slower 

in the last days all of students language colleges had to go to ROTC 

UCR in order to see what we had our address to my campus pencil 

I was forced to sensually to take that which I took a sip of matter of course 

like physical education something so I became a big 

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identified with Kim clinic with a military kind of a structure 

I am and all that goes with a tenant before I actually go in labor 

baby soft I’ve had two years of that before Black Sabbath 3 years that 

before I got to have to do the naval David 

just one what do difficult mean when a potato a rebellious 

person that invented but I am at I’m able to adapt whatever the situation 

the situation is not very useful as I came in the situations abs 

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workouts to have to learn to take it on the chin 

so being that you 

where in ROTC to go like we’re not sure when you enlisted 

list it or did or did you have to bite Baltimore training 

training and other good luck for trading ROTC has two 

has two levels and I know it as a first two years for everybody holster 

Austin’s remember if you wanted to get more specializations 

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commissioned you take two more years I had chosen by the end of year Aly 

baby instead of at party so I did not go into the 

upper division lltc okay so that I’m at now was in the stream 

how to become an officer in the Naval Reserve 

I trained two different universities Wanted Arkham City College in southern Arkansas 

Arkansas access my home aerial view Arkansas homeschool 

at Arkansas am at Law School the seventh brother state became a trading round 

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foster we spent four months there and then I was shipped to 

2 Columbia universty of all places in New York City New York City 

contrast a farm boy from the Ozarks find yourself a little too 

institution in the middle of the richest cities in the world and I found it both challenging 

little bewildering tremendously informativa awakening soul 

soul in training at Columbia University for four months pregnant job cut 

the potter’s wheel to speak up at Lee is a graduate actually got my 

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commissioned the Cathedral Cathedral Saint John the Divine New York City the Great 

red tube station that swear that’s where I was commissioned in the bed gotta 

short for low with my commission infant insert 

Vinson commissioned Panda wet back home that’s one 

my dearest not decided would rather spend the rest of War Marry the not so wee 

we had a shorter period for hanging a wonderful wedding of people 

the people who are still around 34 days Honeymoon Island 

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party company 

what kind of things do they teach you in the neck 

in all the service the first 

the first thing is discipline you learn to take an artery carry 

carried out of the surgery what difference of university life 

Black River surveyor select have her singing many people could not do that they had a great day 

great difficulty I found it the harsh femdom Jackson 

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Jacksonville but I lied aptitude what’s the first thing but sexually 

but you you further your skills I took mathematics 

pixel a social science flagyl side of War history 11 

whole gamut of underage drinkers subjects of Brandon 

always the drill drill drill drill learnt 

learn to stand there and take the golf whatever 

cuz you got to confirm you got it for me so that that support all the service 

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the part of a bell for trading in front of guy in 224 specific things of 

alpha leadership of leadership training 

Panda how how you take command of the vessels 

if your communication officer in charge of that that’s what you get a more specialized 

what you do all this s*** look like all night they want more of it 

people out of rain hurt so up as long as you did your job and work hard 

start with shy did I enjoy New York City terminus Leafly culture their butt 

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you work hard if you do your job and they do come out passing by 

passing Busters was speak you get the condition when you start having take responsibility put the rapper 

practice the things that you learn 

 

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face in the Navy so which 

UC Irvine I turned on on two ships 

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the time I got to have it we were primarily in Mississippi end of the world just this feeling 

Atlantica not to sad but I would’ve been the best of head 

so great dealer Western war 

twerk hip hop books shipping island to island 

so I served on two kinds of habeas ships the biggest Southern College 

ship take they were designed as a big tub 

to transport the only troops for also equipment trucks 

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trucks takes all the other girl goes long to work with in the future 

tell me I was like and I served on 14 

in for a few months USS 7:30 

pretty ships handbags Chesapeake area Learning 

Miranda the goalies are the functiob life and actually help train other crews 

but then they were forming a new cruise to take the ships into the western Pacific 

so I became a part of a crew of which we form to train together at a 

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daddy day camp camp Bradford Inn in Virginia and then what are ship 

became available we transport it right back here to Illinois 

where they rebuilding the zealots tease on the Illinois River at 7 

Pacifica pier built Chevrolet 

Chicago Art of Steel Company was hard to just come out 

build a head assembly line on the river that turned out these ships from 

probably what’s the weakest aspect huge production process 

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are ship is ready to be launched LST 642 

what is the other crew and XDR spouses came for lunch 

the peninsula in the LA River we gotta win it with our crew about 

about 90 of classes of of of a non-commissioned 

Russian people have gone to ship wrote it down there Illinois River 

River and the Mississippi River Delta New Orleans outfitted it there 

and then and then and then I thought it was getting ready for the Midwestern 

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experiential app to Panama Canal of the Western core support post 

took it out Hawaii did some trading block in Beijing 

patience rabbit Hawaiian Islands and then we’re heading on 

about time we got there the Marshall Islands leave at 5 Mariana Islands 

droid security and they were being used as staging area for the rest of Lee 

warpath and I swear first preparation and engagement 

David was he would Jima and that was for the products. Obviously 

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what did you really sense what they’re what terrible war is and what it can do 

can and cannot do but that’s what’s up how was your first experience 

what was it like on board the LST 

free unlimited well it was early livable as my dad 

edit Word you have a place to eat sleep and you do and is long as you’re here 

cruising cross the Pacific is a fairly nice sweet ass dance 

the comfortable ships obviously working for officers to what we have to stay true 

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on the main deck where is the crew of the various levels of the crew had to 

who have different kinds of combinations down in the hole and I’m sure they’re there couple 

I got there what is was actually a bad good food what’s a little 

but if I have a metaphysical church did Arizona’s practice long with ulcers look 

and all the military like a part of you to accept this 

SD reader part of a URL part of it so other day when life was challenging 

learning responsible with joy Colorado lottery 

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and we were always aware of the tiger be getting worse 

because we’re getting closer and closer to the point of engagement start 

take a lot more seriously don’t forget the last time way 

last night we were in Hawaii was in charge of communication 

Asian office that was my role which are the communication ship we had about separate officers charged 

charger different parts of the ship Humana golf shirts that give off certain 500 

how was it different sex and up Maya bhai ki radio 

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what did you go out and see some of Honolulu the last night 

I’ll probably unwisely said yes 

Panda we were quite ready the next morning to hurry up to medications like we should 

we shouldn’t and we’re actually had a big commander on our ship 

and I’m sure he was watching me all I long to see whether I would really miss anything 

is a guy hits a list of stuff about ready for cuz I made that decision 

what the young man had worked all night at the crib with noise and see where it goes next morning 

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wanted but so Calif Asian face 

what 

were never talk about the locations that you some of the locations at your service 

evil Jima tell me about someone 

the locations of deserving Bell after after human Gmail 

iPad job was to deliver deliver Marines on the beach which we did 

the burning of the invitations never forget that of course 

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and then we had a lot of equipment so I took a selfie several days to get that 

disgorge condoms at the beach 

and then a job was to retract and go back 

and get the additional supplies that the staging area which we did 

how to write I was able to to see the tragedy of the 

demon invasion of the flag going up at all 

all that stuff in Phase I 

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about Cher we we had a couple hundred 

what breeds are on the ship getting ready to go in 

NFL HOF officers next April we had another 

read officer of medicine in the same room and I got to get well 

what will equate with a lieutenant from the east and the brains 

neighbors Harvey and the 

I’ll never forget the morning the invasion hero Bob 

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Eli Manning make it true here’s my wifes amazing 

Maid sama dress would you please let her know 

when will the weather be what you love. Many people survived at home folder is terrible terrible 

that’s what he was going after the second day we were 

we weren’t formed about it it was the hardest thing I’ve ever done life was to 

I write a letter to his wife so after 

then we’re getting ready for Okinawa which was the next big engagement 

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so we went in 20 can I was with you the whole process again it was a much longer 

corrected invasion that he would Jima that was a black cumblast 

6th Man of the mainland Mary Pearson Ford 

how are I get a job with the ticket troops baking supplies 

of which we did Lady Gaga pretty well doing hard job 

the suicide bombers were coming id Fighter coming for that time of Fortune Wii worth 

spared that but I had to have a lot of experiences of 

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f how you how you carry on this comment terrible tragedy of 

are the effects of it and still maintain your sanity 

so far out with them a beer getting back in the Philippines but I don’t feel 

the Philippines be scared weird that I use the Philippines estate Jr getting ready to go into Japan 

so we’re pretty well long vibration tool and we had the pontoons on the 

Google decide the ship but your used to bridge a gap between of the doors on the bay 

on the beach not wait for sure what you’re going to so we had those on we weren’t 

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got the news of the end of the war and why 

whats up a little celebrated occasions quick 

Piccolo and Gohan map we will always always information 

 

the Destroyers remedies for taking huge hotel of Alice to use another 

Scripps ancillary flooring long between somewhere around 

around the area of Philippines and Japan 

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the news came through that the war was over 

and we had a little bit of a maverick cover captain 

kissing guy cumming joi the real bad so he told 

Tobias Critic a child tell a turn toward the United States 

pencil Hellman slave ship around Big formation 

and the commander of the flotilla beat leaf what are your intentions 

we’re heading home he said I suggest you get back information sur so 

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edict of worms off I’ll get back in 

back and long time to restart home but the that was a video reaction to get home 

call me when you get out of this works I don’t think he was her 

that but the other forget it I 

where there any dangers of your work other 

other other than battle related dangerous like on the 5th 

will health insurance health problems can be watch live 

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watch love that we didn’t have much time we actually had one offer we had to put a shore 

because of seasickness interesting psychological phenomena 

most of asking to chat adapter with almost always get sick of sushi 

sushi on the ship in it what you’ll get sick in the bed you get over it and you’re good 

and so I almost went through that we had what officer Tippit could not get well as win football 

sure of course 

quite good medical care because we had Cortland 

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Autotrader AZ S&R doctors with traders fair for that on the ship 

but then we get to shore what weed gets taken care of 

family of war related 

Ina Garten what are the invasion Jr menu nutrition 

the warrior always subject to to me submarines 

MBLAQ time to work wasn’t too much aircraft over summer 

around but then it in Beijing time there will be air craft and then 

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Atlanta for the word the suicide bomber say we just come in headlight into the show 

H&R 22 exploded parts of the LSD was not that big 

that big dragon favor try to get a battleship on a carrier 

cibellis T’s were were hit by suicide bombers 

weather for your ears to your subject to the Windsor 

map of weather will the Pacific Ocean is called its a beautiful place to be 

what it’s furious it’s a terrible place to be so we were caught in one type of 

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Thai food essentially between the iPad Philippines and 

hand up Okinawa weather I suppose 

post predictions rolling cash 5 past looks like we should have a boyfriend but we just found a sales right now but love it 

the Terrible typhoon and all you did was just held on 

Vanguard shipping today to Florida round round 

huge waves also a coarse fine layer image over 

is over and I should I not go down but there are some ships lost in those terrible weather 

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weather related accidents 

okay so I had to Griffith in 

free vivid 

so so then you were actually read when you in combat 

eva angelina evil Jima and Okinawa and we’re getting ready to be 

lesbian Japan which most of us are quite sure what animal was terrible 

innovations in the world ever see Russia snus 

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Stickley ideaology of the Japanese tragic fight I’m sure 

Sherman Expect When will prevail like we did in Europe 

were 

were you ever wanted to know 

will a ship never came under direct fire 

virtually Minneapolis to use there their 

Larry hit by 11 get hit with a with a 

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with AR Marshall that would be over with our course if a Japanese have to 

think about what they would normally not do after us so I can 

no I came out and scabies the physically believe 

deadly but wiser you with your brother fast 

look back on a steak at age of 21 22 23 

terminus changes much more of inform 

person which works. What’s more expensive now 

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person the world not just a state in United States in the sense that 

we are apart of a global community graduate I think Cable videos 

the office and that was one of one of it. Love you for 

euphoria for me like the other veterans we do 

we do or do not be the only answer to human existence but what to do about it 

and we were aware that there was talked about United Nations Wrightwood 

is right with the world is going on the last year of the world alot of hair for tonight 

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sting every month of the invasion de Vegeta price of a day 

our president and the other for beating 

I’m making plans for the first international conference which was held at 

San Francisco latter part of that month to launch the United Nations 

which one of the great human visions that throws ever 

will the note and it brought a lot of Hope to Minneapolis 

Shirley this is a better way to go and we are proud we are apart of a c*** 

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what country that would give readers ship to that it was respected and sets at war 

can’t be the answer for this not the first answer that 

Secretary General United Nations said the previous one head coach who won the Great was I think 

he didn’t get that coffee is very much because of what has been going on the last Friday 

last 5 years what he said war has to be the last resort not the first resort and so true 

truth so that there will be sensed that wear what they wear 

should get a period when are children or grandchildren I have to go to work 

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like everyone of my generation I go back and forth every generation has to fight the law 

Michael Oher and I might say the period of the sixties and seventies 

where where a period me a forecast for a lot of that America 

Krishna walk in the picture Leroy the course of something different 

Motley done a lot of problems with lot better than the alternative 

and we sense that the world was undergoing tremendous change that euphoria 

has given away to a great deal of fat does sorrow and and I 

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I’d say a disillusionment too many abortions last 10 15 years 

when we go out of course and the fact that we might 

we might allow ourselves to be engaged to another international 

gagement goes on for years and years is unsinkable 

Patrick wild 

do you remember 

in in battle remember any sights sounds 

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smells are sensations that were particularly 

the student out for tickly ne what I do get the ring sights 

smells sounds are sensations that stood up for taking me in in battleon 

will certainly have a tremendous 

sights and sound of 

invasion cannot be forgotten 

battleships behind you wallpaper over 

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most powerful bombs at that time are the 4th island 

itsy an island just completely cleared of all known 

old humans and vegetation through that process is a 

is a sight to behold the site to to be respectful and be worried 

be worried I’ll be asleep with tremendous destruction and then we were involved 

different troops into Japan for several months 

baking supplies into the lair of the forces that were occupied 

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if I am and as soon as we got into Yokohama harbor 

after they had 1 train running between the shipyard downtown 

alcohol downtown Tokyo and the sea that from men 

Mendez urban community completely devastated sexy nothing standing 

nothing is hard to imagine that could happen in the center 

the center of Tokyo in there we found the Imperial Palace area was was on skates 

escorts that was delivered but not bombed not destroyed to try to deceive 

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the sea if we couldn’t gauge do the Japanese to surrender through through that serve processed 

but that that that that that says she the best devastation that can happen 

happened hot it is its awesome I’ve been back to Japan 

since then I know exactly what will a human beings can do 

modern efficient form of the cities of the world 

I seen those two what time is what they would become destroy 

Delaware the human being can can construct 

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I can build and we as people and societies have choices 

and we understand and I thought it surely will make rational choices 

that’s what the reason why I’m so glad that we had to scrape were serious I think it helps 

what helps maybe a lot of people today I have no idea what the hell never stay working 

twerking do and because we both stared at by March in this country 

atleast had a chance to learn about it LED lights for business 

sight and sound owl ever forget 

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what what were the worst moments that your witness to 

what’s your number will have of eluded 

to them softly departing my love 

I love my family was in terrible bullet formy the Thai food 

food with a terrifying experience in the different kind of W 

double vision itself a terrifying experience 

and I just see the destruction afterwards I was Justin 

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Deli in my mind I can never paid I can take pictures 

dailyom never forget them 

the human tragedy of having your friend killed we didn’t have it so much 

what’s the Navy sea urchin a city but the closest I had was this 

friend of the Marine who live with goodbye 

buy that word again he would never breathe again 

the well in the bridge with army experience at all the time 

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will the baby its the Seas ship hip to know what’s going on there 

hardcore to feel the fury of of weather 

f*** me like that I have some tragedies of crew going down the Mississippi 

Mississippi how we had one crew and I decided couldn’t take 

couldnt take it so I tried to swim with weed. Wood River 

river for safety as we record down somewhere around luge 

Louisiana last night before you guys New Orleans and he decided make a swim Ford 

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self rejection and that we knew the next morning it was 

board and then we as a communication officer 

I got a message that the body has been found floating dearest and we’ll never fight 

define assets are what are sailors the Big Dipper decision points come with tragic play 

sex with the young man do you have to do that 

baby photos of better that way but it was a tragedy 

what it was we felt very rare kill about 

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what’s the word 

a chaotic time frame 

it was it was chaotic in terms of love surround me 

brown bags in terms of of my personal life existence it was not so chaotic 

I was able to have that was able to see our God is able to bring order into it 

and so I did not have eyse the psychological impact that that some 

chaos did anothers on the way back I’ll never get that what we’re finally 

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funny discharge new Manila and I got on a carrier 

come back to United States have about a week or two Distillery long though 

pure luxury so to speak and I spent that time headless hours 

completely alone essentially triglycerides rest of my life what I want to do but I came 

I came back home and I’ll be free drive but my bride 

and try to make some sense out of my life what do I do with my life so I can still remember 

Riverwalk in this by the beautiful mood lights of suffocation 

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trying to figure out just what do I want to do what I had to sort it out 

reverse options I hadn’t values I would Express why do I would it 

what would it to continue education I felt like the place that I like 

I can do it myself and I also help others what is the white part of it 

it was it was a dick amateur latina 

. Said it took me another year or two after I got back and 

potatoes cool before I was able to side exactly what I want to do is Greer 

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came and then turn it on its been graveyard music by professional 

national life has been wonderful great ecstasy of joy of my life and I both had 

I found what I want to do something I thought was worthwhile the covers 

copper sheeting I still remember rev limit 

what didn’t you believe 

was at stake in the war at the time 

ice a sink I understood pretty well with the world up against 

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what carefully use my words 

we found in World War II leading up to it 

that an economic system can be extremely 

useful are configured correctly complete terribly destructive of a human 

Big and soul capitalism 

what is going to buck buck in Japan 

Japan it going to back in Germany and Italy a cure 

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Kepler’s which is people who use the power of the brackets 

rocket system in a complete gun control way to achieve their as witches 

which is Ctrl and that coupled with very little 

Arno democratic government I’ll be physical with lizard thicket Oregon that combination 

of uncontrolled 

unlearn of regulated capitalism 

coupled with military couple liquor shop 

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is a tremendously Liesel think it has salt tragedy this world. Raft 

so I just did that was going on and it is a fact 

affected the way I’ve tried to deal with my own understanding of economics 

a public policy making of government aMDA 

I think that that we’ve got a continued reminder 

remind yourself that we understand what it is it weird talking about we talk about economic system 

sweet talk offical systems can I personally am very strongly 

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respectful of democracy I don’t think of a better way to organize yourself 

resolving conflicts I think that some kind of a market system is what 

what the best ways but cannot be an uncontrolled bracket does a bucket system control 

is fishes but the combination of a democracy 

in a market system can be tremendously powerful forces and Hagar shore 

what they can now to clean Europe has taken the toilet 

turn they did for 400 years they are now since it go to work together 

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help bring peace among cells in the world and user command economic 

cleco power for good beans 

so yes I think I knew it was going on 

and I got to be going on in this world the last 10 years or so freakin grown country 

rapper Slim extremely distressed about it feel like we must 

we must learn that there’s more to life in morgue 

what does society mean Tripoli using military power to achieve some place to live 

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ask me something for the Deaf 

so I presume that that your idea of what was going 

what’s going on well I’m sure changed someone 

in what ways did it change or did you know if you have an idea what was going 

what was going on the whole time 

no I never been out this world before and so I learned something about 

what was going on in Japan and then when the first things 

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I have no idea but I got back my wife and I can’t I hear of studies at the first Summer 

we used up some savings should saved up somebody from her cottage 

college teaching I have some saved up the service we had to reach out find out so 

we join other students from all across this country that formed all kinds of 

study tours to Europe so we step 10 weeks in Europe 

working with student groups in those countries trying to find out their vision 

visions of a different world cuz I just been through it late see their countries destroyed 

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Anderson from Ennis Lee informative wake me spirits 

can I gradually understood then more than I had before of what 

what what football Europe have its problems changing 

was terminus lady in crazy in 2 minutes late invigorating 

waiting to be a good night with me back to your many times since 

professionally at the I’m still its wrong with the tremendous changes 

taking place in left for the world within a matter of 50 60 years 

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compare to win it been throughout Earth’s history that shows what can be done 

human beings its to sleep can bring about change if they are so inclined 

what kind of things did you learn when you were like 

educational military in Europe 

Europe well a learn 

rather quickly let students from Scotland from France from 

a from Austria where all customer feelings 

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feelings will have super aspirations sure we have different ethnic backgrounds 

my background is true and I love all my ancestors German Layal 

all were part of the German culture they all left Germany because of their 

disaffection with what they have been doing 

women in their war like in them in their dictatorial waste so as you are 

as young people all my ancestors came to this country pay their own way 

The Gambia part of a different experiment in human history 

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going over there I’m sensing the young people in Germany were not like 

f*** my hot sisters had experienced things were different there too but they were still struggling 

struggling very much and I let them know the meaning of a government listen to ABBA 

Tabitha debated what kind of cookies do they want what are coming future they want 

going on at all these countries have been really quickly there a vault 

a sense of communion among those countries sought France and Germany 

England protect its force to keep fighting the good fight a street history 

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why do we figure out a way to resolve differences and so that was a beginning of a European 

European Union which is not really strong force politically economically 

economically and socially throughout the world there’s always gonna be different groups 

groups and leaders always going to be German background app refresh your just like to go to be 

Illinois background of Wisconsin background but you can still rise above 

is a bump that there’s something called the human race that has silver 

aspirations where to get to get me to not do it suit only 

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only private Esperanza through private sick thinking my old mine and my 

hand and we’re trying to suck it up now so 

speed lot of my time at retirement what does 2 working with young groups 

in this community wonderful young people with it still work with and tried to see as late 

I tried to put new ideals in the derivation of a kind of cookie are they want to be a 

how to be a part of it we tried to duration and courageous 

benefits part that’s where the future is a recognized or not 

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directions something’s gotta change we cannot we cannot continue waste our resources 

container planter we cannot configure provide for own resources of NJ 

education and health did the structure and then duh 

we can’t get erection at doctor of the future so that its that kind 

what kind of a division that has been erased 

can be at is it so we’ve gone through this night lifetime 

time of 84 years of depression 

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of the tremendous war of euphoria after war ensemble 

disillusionment now but still white after pristiq but the human being have 

big has to something more than be concerned about their own personal welfare 

Alderwood goals and objectives out there something beyond them 

call themselves 

NFL 

what does water is going to require a very effective efficient car 

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what kind of of police force human beings are not 

necessarily innately gorgeous 

before piece Vergo have conflicts that so I gotta figure out how to resolve 

resolve the conflicts peacefully thats what education do it for the justice system 

and we got to have a police force with that have military force to protect 

protect these things but not to enter is it not enough to talk to 

talk to precipitate the very thing were trying to stop the specs for the military 

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for the police for a justice system for our political leaders 

m24 specs for entrepreneurs to make arm economic system work 

for everybody not just for their own greedy self the labor group 

the farmers way all got something we can do if we learn that we are part of a 

part of a community be on our selves 

during the war did you write home often 

every day every day I would write 

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and I can still remember I know the things I would say and I try to share 

anime with Kleck be the course of the whole crew and I would get to shore bags 

bags and later file a get back my wife would get a bunch of day 

and we find our own much so I get a letter from her that was the day that everyday 

everyday but big hard ball of fur I wanted to 

I would that spread out so I just start them 

Avenue let her everyday hello we’re out. In the between 

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between the engagement 

David art in this country 

what are the art forms are the courses is that the art of love 

all the movies and we had some tremendous movies 

the two movies that that help me understand he would Jima Flags of Our Father 

father and Amanda Letters from Iwo Jima watch stores 

reverie lived and died recognized while I was out there 

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they’re not recognize more sip time I was writing to my dearest 

talking about how I know I thought we’re doing pretty good job without weed food with whatever 

River Japanese soldiers write to their wives of racing way they were here 

over here and think about me when she with 20,000 young men 

we’re riding home do I need never get out there live 

but still have the right home they did absolutely Dursban found 

how do you say how do you tell your loved one I’m doing what is right but I never seen 

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never see you again mMmmm 

art can do that the movies can do that lived under 2 minutes job I think 

porn speaking of life 

movies that end in art that have 

look back at War how do you how do you view 

review the books in historical accounts in Arden and movies 

list of ww2 and the events surrounding your experiences 

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rancid like expensive part of the weather in urine 

I give a passing grade at night I think that it’s done 

it’s done a lot of good and it’s a bit different assessment grade 

can I take the extent to which the artist was trying to convey something very real 

real apartments rent in Suffolk December sellers make a couple minutes 

what’s the difference in a lot of trash great deals on the tube 

two best trash I’ll be sleeping here entertainment file another table thats sad 

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Atlanta large build around Warsaw from time together it so I see some 

Pizza movies he would you I thought were useless of me loves all bills 

pride and patriotism in great heroic efforts of individual ribbon 

how sad terrible it is thats what I think so the moviegoer 

movie makers have graduate learn the come back after meniscal condition that be the best movies 

holier than this about all parts or not just you would you look for sex with it 

recognized and not just movies in minutes 

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how old delimar in Jackson this community in his art 

understand that he would be in a relationship 

small heart heart to do that 

second chance to see any episodes of the burn 

burns from what I’ve seen samples on my side I do not 

Hickory point because of other commitments that the family has had enough 

pick up lunch time take it all but I’ve looked at the parts of it 

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I am a turkey does a barback job I like this previous average salary 

PBS is doing Forest we work hard to help it survive is what a great it’s too 

institutions of our earth culture Robert Burns 

is a great artist in the previous ones is done about the Civil War 

brothers I’m going to say that I only did he made the choice 

take the world be better off having seen this and I hope that 

NFC lot of people seen a lot of my younger friends I didn’t realize this isn’t what wars 

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tremendous joy 

if I ever get really retire doll price for the item that look at everything to everyone 

what I have done it yet 

sorry Glenn Beck 

back to the matter that you were riding home did you describe 

at like a scribe what you were actually in 

experiencing in your letters or digits like did you 

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making your stomach roll 

is personal Los Angeles with reminiscing reminiscing with my Perry 

apparently with my wife and him talk about social interaction 

directions around the ship of I would 

I would often try to characterize what physical what’s going on but 

I’m bad by law and by sensorship we had to be very careful on that we were charged 

charge of the troops and I’ll never forget that the tragedy wheels off her head 

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the center of every letter when we from our crew and then we had you separate cut out parts 

I had I could face up to the fact that I would 

I would I would release a letter from what are crew members evil carelessly said I should 

should’ve said some things because we are advised to pick it up talk about the war that’s 

legal and we had to take it out in the water but his wife daughter is loved one 

what to get a letter laugh was cut out with Office probably have a wart control 

Controller Pro u listen what we did but we would 

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Wilfred say things that I’m sure I left them at idea where we were lyrics with tell him where we were 

what was mostly personal gives relief 

sit down and have pleasant thoughts and beliefs 

relief from from the boys on androud 

reading a was a better course 

how was it for how was it for your wife 

how did you how was your wife coping with the war 

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well I can only without baking soda 

remember what she said and we talked about a great deal she’s always been over 8 

very committed person she decided that did 5 years of age to be a teacher 

she’s ever let it from bad to use a great high school teacher original versity teacher 

teacher great parish is known throughout the world in her field 

and so she was committed to that and then she started then but itchy 

high school Oregon shooting abolish job I’m sure you tell me about that 

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iPad she was so you moving up through the ranks of love 

great teachers what I came back and then she decided 

I decided we would start a bar so we went to graduate school sex with together 

she had to interrupt her as long as I f*** your family start because we delay 

would like that long enough so she did not about the turnover ratio of kids to have it also 

she stayed home I like to kids were young and tender 

when I go to school to be then she went back to school she got her doctor then 

00:54:45

later than I did and tigress 

what we got here in 1960 I have my doctor died 

what I had Rabita professor Tennessee in I had it up to here and she had her 

Federer new doctor and she came to campus and have negative urine test 

temperatures of meat despotism is a policy that grip 

depression but maybe other places to visit that they cannot have more 

have more than one member of a family employed in some public agencies such as you 

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University are high school and so we have nepotism hearing are statures 

airtight and I live in streets near that time would not roulette Norway 

will we change this because it hits the very basis of Survivor something on some nonsense 

my phone does not take that lightly 

she was skinny Comanche was qualified and sew what open camera 

makemeup she applied for a chicken out of the top PA ranking in the country of celebs 

so that her goodness trader at this university was able to take those recommendations 

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directions to go to her provost of time save this is what you doing tonight 

why women spouses a chance to tell me the gender at 14 weeks 

we had we had wonderful educated women in the sciences social sciences I spent 20 years 

being nothing more than just a place 

classroom teacher in sections to be able to be used to exercise the rights and privileges in response 

responsibilities of assault herks 

strong enough to save a special K accept you if letter word like in 1962 

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listen to she was great add exception to this rule and so she was probably the first 10 years 

take your spouses of put it on this campus which were very poor Ellen and she’s proud 

is proud of and it went on for another 10 years before I forget this 

chains that look like a member I was able to help bring about a change in this time 

there was a great day we took it to the Senate finally got it prove it baptism is not the way to go 

so now I was glad heart couples with couples 

how to tell me what a woman has almost the same rights as men obviously not quite 

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quite but they look different that was back in those days of sushi cooked 

murdering her job very strong willed person during the summer 

in summer when they were in class she volunteer to go to the Pentagon 

she was the type of typing for computers 

you type all archers 16 pages with carbon copy 

she was good at that and so she help with the war by working out 

the Pentagon between her her kitchen 

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sushi story about those things 

what what did you look forward to the most when you thought about 

what about coming home from work I love driving my house 

buy a wife and couldn’t see my family again 

the second thing was getting back into education 

feeling Big Student of Learning Abroad mind because ID seen so much I needed to 

Atlanta to consolidated and so are the travel to Europe 

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health Tucson that and we both went on 3 together 

guitar advanced degrees because that’s way we were getting some sense of what 

what are worthless how we might make a contribution 

so it was not a smooth path 

sleepless nights as I was trying to figure out what I want to do I clear showyourdick 

teacher. You have to worry about my life is not quite that clear so it took me a long time 

about Lorde at the mountain children as a search and struggle how it feels 

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what do that too what time 

this is tape 2 of veteran interview 

interview with Bob Spitz seeds from Urbana Illinois for the veteran 

veterans history project in Campbell Hall Studio X 

WRAL TV October 9th 2000 

definition 

after the war was over was it possible for you to 

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put it behind you complete me online free 

pirate windows already made it possible I didn’t 

I didn’t mean to. Didn’t want to I think there must be some experience 

. Submit experiences of veterans at the symptoms of not want to stay in that provide 

but even think about it I’m saying that because I need something 

they have to get out of some point probably are still maybe this will help 

I felt like I could talk about I haven’t I haven’t spend a great deal time my family over my head 

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wake me up at does it it wasn’t something I just want to spread the word but I would not 

apologetic for a lot in Paris by and have not ashamed of it 

what is just part of experience that Pat Benatar been asleep for tomorrow 

part of my life and I was Radiohead 

continue to like participate in 

Mike Wayans OR 

the American Legion or things like that no I haven’t 

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how I have 

dog injection to people who want to tell you that 

that was not experienced that ice 

I fake it so great that you swear to keep on living 

what to keep a pet you get the Patriot in military 

not proud of people who have chosen that I knew what to but I hope that 

I hope they don’t go for that to the extent of everything else either to be social 

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social interaction is much more productive on issues having to do with the community 

50 Avenue of the problems we have having to do with the ways that we can move ahead 

where is a great dealer Miller trade 

camaraderie has been 

the perpetuation that myself that I didn’t I didn’t 

can picture you want it song by thats a player but I didn’t 

 

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what 

Elizabeth Warren qualitative 

question but what about your experience 

experience and that of others in Spanish 

infinite flight positions in the war tu 

you was what do you think was 

what significance is significant or important about that experience 

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variance to our understanding of work today 

I think that the interaction of head with other 

what other veterans which can be both casual and can be freely serious 

and I are welcome to Adam David gage in that but it’s been 

casual is Ben and not that big 

but I know I have talked to 

so my colleagues who are in the in the ground war side 

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I said that they had something different but I did 

let’s shake their experiences shape their there and then I’m glad I love 

learn that in the air I lost one of my 

strongest relatives have a cousin I grew up with 

he was there when he was lost and I I think about that quite a bit 

what are tremendous loss there was two societies with with his 

with his Lost disappear because of happenstance I’m sorry about 

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about that and I could multiplied by thousands thousands of course 

ha war is not something I do well 

dwell on Ioad well on conflict which is so real 

reel around us all the time mn professional Presley I have a strike 

strive continuously to figure out how it is that I can help 

be a part of a society that learns to be different with resolve 

resolve its problems without violence that Shirley has to be there 

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the ultimate objective of a human being 

think I have a couple of a 

Chapel of the questions but I think he kind of answer them 

I could have what do you think people 

today should know about when you personally went through 

I’m not sure my personal experience this is 40 

I think that the people today need to understand what war 

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war is what can be accomplished by what cannot be accomplished 

diet and what it means to the individuals who were involved people 

people like must understand that just the same as a misunderstanding 

how banking system works 

job works in a skilled craftsmen are a professor or doctor 

doctor lawyer they need to understand these things and in that sense I think that the 

the lady took to understand what being in the war at the same way the donor 

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dubste what’s like big police officer officer a police officer is 

engage in what I gave them for years of my life played gage edit their lifetime 

and I try to understand that I tried respect that and I try to 

try to say it but they have responsibilities they only have a limited rolled 

cold like I have a limited role hot and soul 

so I think that we should never cease to reach out to understand 

first and others who are differed from the difference 

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different the work until I try to understand people who believe differently live differently 

religions and river flows is life different occupations 

understand me gaybe something from that and give something to 

do it so that we could all live peacefully on this little hooker 

of course was floating around in the universe we can live peacefully 

sleep and enjoyable and it is possible just has to be 

and I’m sort of a man id list I supposed to respect by season 

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educational seen the first also a wonderful studio 

students have had so many many years I see what they got what they’ve done 

done and I know people you didnt do it in a field trip to floss at of Houston 

do students that somehow I think I’m going to fail but lost their lives you 

is usually buy Self Indulgence someway somehow I must a failed some way 

subway mm most of my memories are positive 

I see the tremendous the tremendous thing of the species we call 

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what we call the human beings of Monk on natural world vivere 

different by chance I think through evolution 

processes which I have to believe this is really strong force 

and so we could do things that others cannot do 

in this world but you do things we can do and there’s no reason that we 

that we can’t somehow be compatible with the natural world around us 

epaulet natural world is people so let’s figure out how to make a pattern 

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compatible with other human beings astilbe different because we’re different 

I’ll get from my wife think I’m different vine Abrams 

my brother has weight should be but we can still respect in India 

can enjoy be on the same planet and get along with each other 

that’s all I have 

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I think I can cover 

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