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    crystalline 11 2008 where in East stlouis
    st. Louis at the home of dr. Katie Harper Wright Dr White would you spell your name
    Forest playing my first name you’re all in your name okay my first name is still OK
    Katie the same is Katie Couric’s name on TV
    my middle name which is my maiden name is spelled Harper

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    and my last name is stomach the Wright brothers invent the airplane
    invention Wright
    so how did you decide to go to the University of Illinois
    well it really wasn’t my decision
    it was my father’s decision because that is where he could get me
    get me a Scottish but I had always wanted to go
    to go to not always the one to go to big 10 University because Massachusetts

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    Vashon High School in St Louis where from the Big Ten you have to know
    Juno the back in those days blacks could not attend University of Missouri
    and so the state of Missouri pay tuition for

    so some of my teachers at the shine guy rapping
    disguising of federal putting out with a new version of the 90s
    I felt very very proud and fortunate that my

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    get my dad to get me a scholarship to go to the University of Illinois and how
    how did he know who was the Western scholarship from the University
    well I think it was the legislative scholarship I think
    is my dad serve in politics so he knew the right people but also
    also I had a dream I was about to turn of my high school graduating class so I
    so I had a good habitat outlet at kind of easy for him to get me in there
    did you have to take test to get in to the universal United those days

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    father I gather was excited that you’re going to Illinois
    he was your parents 150 review will not get bus see my mother
    divorce many musical the harvest by all here in St Louis MO
    amber Roxx my mother was a lock came up from the south and they settled in
    St Louis Missouri is that swear herpe best man clarinol those that are congenital
    my brother was born in st.louis she was pregnant
    pregnant with my brother wins between she move to St Louis I was born in Arkansas

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    Kmart in St Louis solo and I was always
    daddy’s girl so I have stayed with my father
    and your father was in politics yes I guess you call me back
    remember yeah I guess he call himself a politician he

    worst cars ever shut down near the city hall at bedtime

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    and all the white politicians a mayor and Mary English and all those people
    washed their car so he begins with these people Enda
    so he could get famous political favors for men tell me about the
    about the letter from the mayor that we saw with I
    I miss the misery remember right so in order for me to get the v
    DM the Illinois scholarship in the Illinois
    be able to get the Illinois rachel is a student

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    then my father had the mirror to see the name of the man that steals
    Mary English to write a letter saying that I was a good student in diapers
    St Peter villa not
    so what did you take at the university do you remember
    remember did you know what you wanted to major in yes I thought
    thought that I wanted to be a lawyer sonido invited a girl
    girls want to be lawyers in those days so then I thought I was going to be in for a long time

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    sciatica Political Science in aviation but my first tim
    Chris Burkley I know I took that
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    I’ve had to take rhetoric but I was accepted red one
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    General Studies and what year was it that you entered the University

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    what my dad drove us and I’ll never forget that Sunday River Bethel University
    Sunday in August of 1940 a graduated from high school
    in January of 1940 but in between
    Trivette semester I went to the M
    trade schools to learn how to tattoo typing and shorthand invented the atom
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    step mother drove SFU University Marching Alex he was a great sandwich with as

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    she introduced as to whether may Pickens who was the big wig in the bath
    the Baptist Convention are like that so we drove to the university that are in a tall
    Augustana remember the date in 1940 and
    and I live to go to make Pickens house and that was on what
    Washington Avenue for something Washington Avenue
    how did that happen that you happen to live there but she might
    Alabama stepmother with friends with women take it

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    and of course she was said about I guess you cover the Big Big Bear in
    infected by putting in the newspaper that she had this guest from
    St Louis James Harper had brought his daughter Katie
    there to attend University of Illinois and service in the paper heaven Berkeley semester at
    scrapbook paper the Danville news or something
    solum Shih Tzu take me in she had to Carol
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    this is all taking me way back and she was 7
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    state with her but then I think it might
    set more year I became friends with a girl for me st. Louis Guthrie play
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    814 East Columbia in Champaign
    and we became close friends. She says that he wants to move with me will be roommate

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    rumaisa she was my roommates of foot 2 out my a****** 4 years later
    sadly mistaken to be still be friends with him we went to Salem Baptist Church in Olivette
    so tell me about
    why you living off campus well
    and you know and I’ve just wrote a piece for the Belleville news Democrat
    that we should not to focus on past injustice
    and so I never exist it doesn’t bother me that black stick

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    text did not could not live on that campus we could not live in the dorms
    Campus I don’t guess it bother me then I guess it doesn’t bother me now
    I went Napa we could not live in the dumps Beck and forties the baddest bitch
    50 50 50 it was early 6
    play 50 cent Linkin Park and all those girls to live in dorms
    what in the f*** is this could not live in the dough we live.in the town about
    about a hundred show black students that we all knew each other but not a lot of black shoes

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    2008 Campus back in the forties and most of them with him in st. Louis
    NFU from stlouis everyday Italian town Nevada
    if the town different towns people running and board at the student black students
    how could you did you eat on campus in the dining rooms level 270 yes because I
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    Iverson best girl in the Union government system Union Building came out after that

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    distilling the forties World Campus
    Campus when ww2 in the United States in World War 2 what do you remember
    Harbor was fine I just remember that it was just the river just also
    how so scared what are the favorites on a Bama fever going to come and get up
    H&M Atlanta confusion and ups
    obsidian hatred of Japanese calling them bad names
    Japanese students on a campus in the US

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    is it good I didn’t come in contact with them deficit
    bedtime for 70 77 do you remember exactly where you
    where you were when you heard the news I surely don’t but I’m me was on the show
    I’m going to church tonight. I have is that there
    Romania been in church I don’t remember her everywhere
    did sing
    things change perceptibly on campus after December 7th

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    I remember that
    the middle left Dallas left
    can we became friends with the guys from Chanute
    I don’t remember the things they been insured a good change
    back in those days they didn’t have not put your car security in security guard
    because I don’t like that so I remember the game is security guard catering
    anything like that but I do remember that tab the campus

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    is a few a student Pamela Moore dessert
    deserted hundred percent black students that were there when you
    arrived on campus how many boats were men would you say when they happen
    half and half for love those
    French to Lehman Adamson all those guys Kyle Clements
    Gemini and black guy hair
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    but we we became friends with a guy but so just tell me you love me
    MFM should I do we need pay me attention to these guys at work from home
    show how to do how would you how did you become acquainted
    will they hate us so and they would take a step to this
    to dance with the soldiers in army to everybody I come so stupid Herriman and so we
    until we met and became friends with and they would come to town David come to the things that we say
    to the dances and I love that protects the right to say it

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    what kind of guys were they Olay be good looking
    famous smart to take those guys most of them had graduated from college
    College I have been to college undergraduate
    so some of them for a 2008 study mass
    best head library days 50 a.m. That was some smart guys
    and then eventually a lot of them
    lot of them I just left to go of a list of events M&Ms

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    Vemma heard em say sample voice James I can see him now
    I heard that he was killed in the world are there in Italy

    buttjob give me the address to the way we all went out to see a different way
    Waze didn’t have rationing
    on campus during the war without ever anything that you were aware of remember me
    not have enough food or anything just a good hand but I don’t

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    but I don’t remember we had rationing in terms of gas for tire
    tires are I guess its students don’t know but we don’t even have cars
    where can I get some of the what
    what flights do intact cars in even know anybody who had a car
    but I’m sure they messed up an IRA member rationing
    guerrilla war battery live
    I remember that I’m sending a message to bed

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    what I don’t know I work at the Union Building in Detroit
    will Paige be plenty of food
    tell me about social with your social life was there much social interaction
    interaction between black and whites do not really I had
    heads unlocked with them because I’m with you why did she a girl
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    when I get to university I found my way to the weather be Sunday in so I got
    do I got you go to that of the lunches in the banquet Panda ghanaweb
    why the word in like that but so far is like dancing
    and like that no both of us
    socialize this with the boys from Chanute Kansas
    andrin with each other beheaded library dates what we did
    I don’t remember that we had to have a lot of social interaction with the white strips

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    other than outside other than you did at the Y Yahoo
    and who who put on the dances
    but you went to that was going to go to that which is not my sorority big sister
    she’s still a good sorority Alpha Kappa Alpha was established
    what’s a social life and I really because they had to put the dancers are they had a good check
    chapter of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority bear delta sigma theta which is nice
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    afternoon Windsor knot
    we had a check today but was not active at that time Alpha Kappa Alpha put on these
    stances ELCA churches heads Social Solutions Inc
    themes for s2 what to get in England
    invitation to an Alpha Kappa Alpha dance that’s really something
    and you know they had dance Cardinals days I don’t know if they haven’t gotten hot
    what we had dance cards and we were all dressed up in phone

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    in my friend sister Susan who taught us in the coop eclipse
    because I have to write for the same as Argus mail me a cup of farmers
    formal dresses cuz I’m having fun with this email may have some prom dresses to wear to
    where is it means to be stained what did they look like
    where they get the big puffy skirts for semi
    my that is gorgeous I stare I now remember that was in the pool
    dayz remember it is kind of

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    the Depression was during the war but
    Justin Bieber strip caterpillar did you experience
    prejudice course we know you couldn’t live on campus that was certainly
    what other prejudice do you think you experience on a resume
    I really didn’t accept when I took my practice
    I have one incident when I took my practice teaching
    that practices in the theory the methods because

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    acai special day because I fear in negative be cutting methods prices
    from a lady by the name is miscarry
    never forget the state that all big butt lady right labia cause I never had any any
    black professors all the way up the undergrad to grad
    the grad school admission Meharry was the teacher lesbian charecter is the profession
    and she gave me a baby and I know that I have learned today
    because the boys who have accidents in Seville on the road

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    on the road a lot so I had to help them with their listen to Mr
    but she gave me and gave me a baby that’s the only

    on the campus finish me im only
    make my way actual Winter Festival
    recipe of Smith they said he was real Chucky wrote the book on child psychology or whatever web
    I said now professor Smith Dr Smith I know you wrote the book and everything

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    I’m at a street and an expression and an out of this course
    so I got an A on if I ever did that I scared him into an egg
    thinking about majoring in special ed
    no no I didn’t do special ed until 1957
    oh so what did you major in as an undergrad political science in speech
    and then later on I got into a chicken head have 16

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    in Figure eight I got my 69th and Ridgeview 8
    the penice when I came home I trust a regular s until
    until 1957 when I was recruited to go into special
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    can’t get my message to special head but before that I have a
    generalist
    what does what classes stand out

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    can download as you think back other than your one bad experience are there other class
    classes are experiences in class of the new remembered that were the corner stand out in your memory
    memory foam yes I let in class I can see that can remember that

    and he was not letting instructor that I have been
    I made accident Grayson in Latin have excelled in Lebanon High School
    but I got you that was harder but he works with me on man and Cup

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    help me with that I didn’t get in an out of hand but I got to be with you
    really good in Madden Sebastian from a history question stand out
    is Avast the Alabama Auburn history and I guess I love history
    straight a particular live like in English history because they have a lot of scandals
    and I like to read about that so that my history classes at 9 a.m.
    my Latin classes I was not good in Batley
    I’ve been getting headaches signs of not getting back I think I got a single

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    thinking that I might have got to be
    Baytown also my physics class Eastern Ave ice skating
    at the tennis I don’t know what they do now in theatres
    the university but in those days in order to get your degree you have to have a certain number of
    always in physical education and I remember one girl who died
    who got hit on the forehead in 20 hours are almost all have that he couldn’t graduate because she
    fishing in half hours and visit Samantha’s in a sentence

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    I hate pictures of me ice skating I like that would make good in bed
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    what picture that we found out with a PE class Idaho speed class

    tell me about the fashions of the day on campus
    what kind of clothes were popular Yakuza puppy
    sympathetic lose weight in the descendants of the same stuff as you can see him that

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    pictures that have the same stuff as they were at now penny loafers
    loafers this will be what fish is the 72 names of coming back to me now
    how to settle acid you know cell access road very big on that campus
    that was a cold campus cold and so we will believe that we were sweaters in
    is I had to remember Angora goat herder bankruptcy credit
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    ENSO that’s why I had 2 jobs so I can

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    member married
    that says I had a camel hair coat
    navigate fashionable Band Perry still got them they still have those numbers can
    and that was only coat that I had beside my fur coat in the head with a bat
    Adam Ant dead but didn’t state admissions list move from Denver
    send in for doe B hair and my dad would send me the money to pay her so that way
    that one time I didn’t pay her I will pay her later when I get

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    ask me a Korean girl in let me see what you have on and she was
    steal my clothes and so she fell is fun and I think about it
    about that night she felt this is smooth Gary Danko machine Muzik mp3
    smooth and the camel service rep she said girl got a new

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    got a new coat I thought you said your dad didn’t send you any money
    so we had to
    so tell me about tell me the story about getting your dad to go to the first cut
    what is a so cold on man everybody wants to love everybody had a fur coat

    $50 the Bevis a lot of money on those that he might have paid $100,075
    bath house whatever that I said that it is speech is true it was so cold on that campus

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    and all the other girls that I knew had affair coat
    so he sent me the money to get this xnnx call Marvin
    is called Marmot in those days anti captain Cove Inn
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    is cold you know they can be sent you disco
    and I miss a comeback cast for a 1996 4
    homecoming at the university that was the coldest day of my life in the football

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    football team lost I was all but little bit I had a good for a cold
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    Big Bend and brought back memories how cold at Campus really gets in the winter
    the mad dad good scrap metal from somewhere got me pissed
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    remember the Tuskegee men talking about

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    prejudice or racism or any of the fact that they were not
    separate unit and they were just being allowed to finally allowed to leave
    do something on forces remember them talking about that money is we talked about that
    what did they tell you we fuss about it and negative atoms so you know they won’t
    do this than any other than real estate a good thing is like that of course
    the town if we talked about that I know they didn’t like that
    I take everything you have to know you

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    does the end of days everything with separate schools in the separate everything
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    how do you think if you look back on
    the war and not just your experience on campus at how do you think the war
    war changed your life when what ways did it
    make an impact on your life love
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    93 became more serious I knew that I had to get my dick
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    so mm the world is still going on
    and so I took the place of a joke. For example who was the
    salt in water when he came back I had to move and give him his place I think
    I think the war made me more serious cause I’m a fun loving person to an

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    like to stay at home but the wood good gun
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    so I became a prophet
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    campus because there were fewer students orange because there was never anything
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    but it was made about accepting eBay serving on their own those places I’ve been
    made my way with these people tell me about the debate club
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    it hot in high school I was president of the debate team
    so into things I did in high school I just found a bone through

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    route to make my way into university Enda
    we had it be reversed if we had a girls to bake a minute. If a teen having sex
    18 and I don’t know how I got on there I guess I got it with somebody
    somebody to get on this debate team maybe somebody from a palace a clases
    anyways John Anderson I can see him now
    grant for president and you have probably too young to remember when he ran
    independent and he loved

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    lost in hatchet the presidential race but he was on the boys to be
    debate team and I was looking to sell my old Kipling and I sent Jenna Sansone
    how to add wrap can be lost to be prude girls beat them
    and I wrote him a note to Jenna Allison you never could debate affirmative
    the presidents
    but you what issues did you debate Kohls
    the day happy talk about the war

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    did the Clippers playing on Europe think that
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    segregation in back of those days I remember that
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    did you see that movie The Great Debaters when will the Washington should see that no but I have

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    I just bought the dead DVD and I like the same that these
    these kids you know debated type of gation quite a bit do you remember
    amber specifically like going to white colleges and debating those issues
    shoes about segregation and desegregation remove hair but I don’t remember
    remember specifically I have to look back at my clippings to Safeway
    where did we talk about that was a big part of your college
    college experience what is it was in like a University of Indiana

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    I remember those places where not of the Avengers
    couldn’t have on the campus of what not but they were not segregated
    segregation going out in the out in the big world
    does Jay Z talk about segregation so good
    didn’t do anything about it
    you went off of school and never had

    00:33:10

    never had a white teacher and you came to being a birthday nearby that’s right you’re high
    High School never had a white teacher that sings these medications definitely
    all those people weather going to be like
    University Missouri a good verse Missouri did not accept black students
    but the state of Missouri pay tuition for them to go to
    what universities can you imagine that and so these people went to
    into the Big Ten universities near Versailles Ohio they could accept that would accept

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    lips like sugar so much is it fashion for bigger
    people and that’s one reason I guess I want to go to university
    I never had my teacher then as it exits
    inspirational school from 7 undergrad all the way up to my tank
    doctoral program I never ever had a black professor Ben Affleck
    I became a black professor at Harris Stowe State University

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    when I play basketball
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    Chris Stacey Murray Chris
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    did they have car Herriman
    I guess they did no they didn’t
    they didn’t the one that I knew you didn’t
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    send voice verse James guys now

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    they get a ride should we did to you so ugly with that go up there to dance
    the dancers in all of us are within Champaner reviews
    m.m banning maybe holding a banner
    do you remember when you learned about the death of
    FDR when breathing out
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    exactly I remember exactly where I was

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    is the John F Kennedy question that was not is not is not going broke
    how about after the war and what order
    ordering war did you know any boyfriend I’d kill for you

    cute little guy to go smart he was killed at Pearl Harbor
    my brother was hurt at Pearl Harbor Enda
    member of a particular club Williams

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    when you heard Pearl Harbor was bombed did you know your brother was there
    yeah that was that one
    you take that back my brother my brother after Pearl Harbor who was in the Navy
    Everett he was hurt after Pearl Harbor Fitness Club
    William Smith killed at Pearl Harbor
    so how about after they after somebody’s hand man came home did you
    did you associate with any of them after they came home and you remember

    00:37:15

    remember the Titan how many different or was that make an impression on you that they
    they came home and work change from him out of war
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    anything about weddings at post traumatic stress it on like that people came on these boys camo
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    GI Bill if nose if I came home and the ones that I knew and got in college

    00:37:50

    I met my husband he list of ww2 I did not know him and make Him known after the war
    what are the best guys came home and garden College the ones that I do
    but they hate it I know like with my husband
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    and I heard him tell things about what happened to him at the Battle of the Bulge it on my add baby hitting every
    never even talked about so those men from ww2
    what not talkative too much about it
    I know you that feel better GI Bill to go to college
    I don’t know if I don’t know of anybody that went crazy
    fat should have a claim that the date the quarry in the people crazy and I like that
    that’s not my experience with the guys that I know my brother came home

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    M&M hips hurt badly he got too much
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    use their work experience to the advantage

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    anything else we look back think about the camp of anything else related to
    add to the Warren your experience on campus during the war anything that will be worth
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    good days Fermi you say they will
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    if we all did those festival downtown we didn’t have a lot of money
    money in between Hitler and Two Smoking everything but cigarettes worth
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    I can still remember that I had a hard time at the university

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