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Encore: Onward Toward What We’re Going Toward

When Ryan Bartelmay published his debut novel, he based it in central Illinois. This hour on Focus, he talks with host Jim Meadows.

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If you were going to create a town with fictional characters who could live anywhere in the world, where would those characters go when they go home? Your first inclination may not be central Illinois. After all, there are much more exciting places to set a novel. But Morton native and author Ryan Bartelmay says he wouldn’t think to write about characters living anywhere else. This hour on Focus, we'll listen back to when he talked with host Jim Meadows about his debut novel, “Onward Toward What We’re Going Toward.” We’ll hear about why he writes about cultures in small towns in the Midwest and will hear about a set of characters who make a living working at a pumpkin canning factory.


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    you can place your characters wherever you want glamorous city of danger
    dangerous wilderness lost at sea on the moon placement
    greatest works places best for first time novelist Ryan Bart
    Barton places Peoria especially small town nearby

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    given the name of the book on winter going to
    mg metals and then f*** is Ryan talks about writing his first number
    characters impulses travel with in house central Illinois
    what part of food they are writer Ryan Park open today

    program to do after the news
    good morning I’m Jim meadows in this is focus in wyll you listening to anime

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    encore broadcast of a previous focus program why were not taking calls
    this or you can join a conversation on Facebook and Twitter at focus 5
    580 Middleville is a little town in central Illinois
    you’ve never been to because it doesn’t exist but you may have been to other towns
    that could be Melville could be home to the wall Beazer brothers chicken
    chicken buddy and their respective families Ryan bar to make grew up in one of those
    does towns and he made central Illinois the setting of his debut novel on

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    onward toward what we’re going toward published a few months back my EGR publishing
    now feel like to be part of our conversation with Ryan Bader made a day you can email acid
    it will dash talk at Illinois dot edu also welcome your questions on
    Amazon Facebook and Twitter at focus 580 Ryan Bartimaeus on the phone with
    fun with us from Chicago where he is the Dean of general education and Kendall come
    do college Orion welcome to focus Happy New Year 2014 glad to have you
    have you and I’m wondering Ryan first about the title on word toward what we’re going toward what is that

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    what is a title come from well um yeah I like that that thing song HRO
    the title at what I was trying to title that actually the original
    original title of the book wise chick Evans chick wallpaper with chicken
    early draft a chick Evans in his own way and I like
    I like this guy 105 title but as I continue to to work on
    work on the book um when I got to the point where a chick started reading poetry
    tree sap off of haikus that appear at the end

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    in the novel um that was called on we’re going
    just like sing song plays on the soffit set up the town
    the tone of the book I want to be playful I want to know that was a little play for
    playful going in rifle so there was a time
    what I do, you came up with as you were as you were writing a check will be Ceres portrait
    poetry yes that’s correct okay just came to you in that way and I have to admit I was real
    reading cinemas Baldwin some of this effort to be red eyes

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    it could happen anywhere in the country but I did the live for several years in the PR
    the Peoria area and um I remember people trying to write poetry
    3 all along those lines okay poetry that was really are technically
    Glee quite bad but what is credible ease painful
    painfully heartfelt right yeah yeah hot chicks poetry is heartfelt is bad
    that’s true what I was trying to do with that is
    an actual aware of writing poetry in central Illinois

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    when I was I started writing it when I was in New York in 2003
    3 hour diet for 10 years actually I have a first 50
    Sears York and Chicago
    another 5 years um so yeah twins
    address for the the the poetry I want to use that as a vehicle Tom Ford
    for his dealing with the pain of a ton
    IMAX I just fell FL price

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    hot to me um something that he discovered
    what happens that actually when he was that uh uh library down
    down his feelings in a library in point out to him that what he just written could be
    bi2 and then he spends the next I 30 years
    as ridin high
    the terrace something playful little funny
    funny about that what was one of the things I was trying to do with the f***

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    um I was trying to get at real human emotion
    does also trying to get out funny I feel real
    cyride ass to be to be in a tanning bed
    when writing that important aspect of writing a short
    short story or whatever is test center humoron
    playfulness is is this is just there to entertain
    no I check won’t be there I guess it really is the main character of the novel

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    what so much of the book is not just about him about his brother buddy and their wives
    wives and families and and and and and also a and also Marriott Norwood
    Norwood who comes into the story umm we’ll really on in the novel b***
    what chronologically was quite a few years later uruz spread the other the hole
    the whole action of the chorus about half a century write a rule Ryan how to store a
    develop for you did you see the scope of it when you first started working on it or is it
    send something that developed over time well um I guess I didn’t want to write a novel

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    I’m not with something out that I would willfully trying to do um
    how many first novel to wire subject matter
    if it clear first person novels contemporary novels
    what might have written
    the first person novels um a lot of them have to do with age
    a weekend so I was
    why was willfully trying to do something large I want to do you like a very ambitious

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    xScope novel characters
    what I have to wear to slam that in 200 pages of the first come first
    the first draft first couple draft the first five years really as I thought I was riding
    riding a really short big scope of Allah
    um and I really try to make that work under the influence
    Barry Hannah paper writer of mine is novel read a witch
    covers lot of time in is really short fast 5 years trying to do

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    before I realized I already been written and it was written by Barry
    Hanna Andersson a way I could write that f*** so good I stumbled into the
    the consciousness I’m part of the book where am I now
    I’m out of the different characters consciousness chicken body
    are there wives Ali G what is life
    wife ass Dian chicks wife and then Mary Norwood
    wood at her husband green Geneseo

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    I really really want to get a haircut chestnut and try to understand his character
    characters om one reason I want to do this is because this is not my strength
    princess as a writer what comes with riders dialogue in scene
    what does not coming writing a character consciousness
    add 5 years trying to teach myself how to inhabit that the conscious
    consciousness of the character that really built a novel around that’s really work wear
    where is larger and got bigger than a bit more ambitious synonym

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    which is actually really got a lot
    a lot of fun for me at right the first couple years doing now
    teaching myself struggle but after I turn a corner
    corner lot of fun what was interesting the idea of a big knot
    big novel I was reading publisher Robert last publishing calls your name
    does your novel of Midwestern 100 Years of Solitude overstatement
    will realize we get down to it there are only six main characters

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    actors Wright brothers there’s there’s a Bears on this is chicken done
    Dian there’s buddy and is it leegit is the correct how do you pronounce a
    yeah BGN actually it’s interesting because she’s an Indian American character
    character add a name is legion I had a student
    students of a while back when I was riding the novel American
    the time I was trying to come up with um at her name
    name and I just name turvy G American

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    woman who is that name just out
    Nayeli thinking maybe a common Indian name as it turns out after
    novels publication I was talking to a friend of mine
    American woman at the name the characters
    look at me like I never heard before
    alot when I ride a nite rider I know right right
    right right pick up the pieces later I realized

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    all the states that I have a nice life as a rider
    make all of this stuff off and I have to go back in an incorrect things I didn’t
    I didn’t change that because of that point that character of Miami
    Willie G’s a very
    pivotal character in the novel she’s married to buddy
    but I see is someone that chick is attracted to when there’s a God
    there’s a will there’s a very crucial backrub given very early

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    early in the novel with striped so many more vents after that it’s cracked death
    yeah she she was the kind of the catalyst
    best for wet what happened at writing desk jump
    jumpstart a lot of like a domino effect on mouse pad
    fatback Rob that she give check on his
    wedding night early in the box first temple of pages in the box
    what kind of cement what happened between

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    brothers family
    on what you do to me
    reading after reading the novel it seems that I’ll be so very
    Gary Owen pulse of an lonely characters are in pulse of the only seem to be doing something
    something to think I’ll make a real difference usually without much information to go on
    Miley and lonely because none of them seem to have anybody to
    define in Medina Mike give him a sounding board on whether or not they were doing the right thing

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    write you see these characters I do ya Messi the characters of all of them
    all of them are are are lonely I take all of them are are driving to make a connection
    and oftentimes I weigh that ass
    aspiration connect to fast as a
    perverted a sexual fantasy
    um and I think what you mentioned in terms of i know it
    impulsive I think that I think that’s correct I think they all have a desire to

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    do good to do the right thing but they jump at the
    what the first thing that comes into their mind like chicken has fallen tree for Apple ID
    the library drop something down and library
    2 ne spend the next 30 years
    years trying to write a haiku wholesome way to call about being a cop
    how it um and to deal with your emotions
    accurate

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    what is focus mg Meadows talking with rider Ryan Barton
    Bartimaeus debut novel onward toward what we’re going toward is out from
    from publishing if you have a question for Brian R phone number is 1 800
    2229 455 email your question to will dance
    dash Tonkin Illinois edu phone number again 1 800 222
    222 wyll and you can also I send a message on Twitter and Facebook
    look at focus 580 now that I’ve a loose sentence

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    in central Illinois in a town called Middleville with a pumpkin
    pumpkin Camry and you yourself come from what temp for Morton
    Morton Morton Illinois which is the capital of the world what’s up what’s up with a large Libby’s
    Nestle’s um um pumpkin cannery it’s about 10
    why don’t know about the 10 15 miles of the West east of pizza peel
    Peoria cross the river is Right crack and so I’m wondering Middleville
    you know we could be more could be a lot of small towns in Tazewell County was the idea

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    Church Middle Village imagine is a
    is that is a fictitious town in early draft I II name
    name of town Centralia south
    and I like the name Centralia I’m at Joe Satriani
    Ryder um and I now
    Joe Centralia and then I built up Centralia with all of the eye
    Morton landmarks basically a pumpkin counter Rihanna Main Street with

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    with out with 6 which is the department store that was important Stafford
    a family of grocery store that was in Morton IL
    clothes with six sense close and then when you know what I sold
    sold the book 2 gig I made that change changed from Centralia to
    20 pound kettlebell live it up that
    Batman because I asked I worry that someone from Southern Illinois from central
    baby yourself would read a novel and say what is not a fan of a pumpkin can

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    can cats with 6 that was there so I got a little nervous
    fictionalized at why do recognize a lot of names in the cannery in Wichita
    what six remember San Francisco accident on over the area when I was okay
    ok in Peoria certified Gary bass convenience store chain price
    alot of other names for Peoria Rivermen the paradise casino the other one world
    coffee houses are all anybody in Peoria Illinois does places right that’s correct
    is using actual and Mark part of the second star to the book when I was

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    Park Ave I graduate school
    what time at a little homesick for birth control
    Illinois Central remember if your fat
    central Illinois 1993 to go to college
    College undergrad University of Iowa Iowa City can I live
    after graduating college town in Austin Texas for couples
    couple years in Boston for New Years in New York

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    reading stories about a small town
    Illinois more lasses trying to understand I think
    where where I came from what about Illinois
    how do I do the landmarks II and I know what I know the details
    tales from Portland to know the details when your trying to create something to an error
    narrative in artificial narrative with the word that is doing research
    stuff to my imagination TaxACT

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    that’s the reason why I said it there I didn’t
    I didn’t I didn’t a chance to go online from your website a night should know you do for website
    Ryan Bartel Maine dot com.com is incorrect
    and I will make sure to get a link on a little later on our website will.
    Illinois edu slash Focus hybrid Aldis flatness which I believe
    you set in Deer Creek on the Mackinac Bridge right yeah that’s true and Mackinaw
    also flows through your fictional Middleville is well it does Jack Mack on River Road in Portland

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    River to me growing up by I use to can you with my dad
    is France and Mackinaw River we had a app that had friends
    friends have I got a deer hunting cabin on the Mackinac Bridge Mackinac
    over the river so I spend alot of time around Mackinac bratty kid
    River cabins
    app that has a portent part of my childhood side does show up
    quite a bit set when we have a cooler in and out we have to

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    we have to take a gentleman because he’s calling for Morton and dumb
    online Foretrex for morning good morning urine focus morning
    good morning I just want to know if Ryan
    is trying to put tray on the Dark Side of the people’s
    personalities um are the dark side of
    does the Falling Man RR a human bean does the novel seems to be
    somewhat dark throughout everybody striving to get somewhere

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    and that’s my question
    sure that’s some think that was intense
    intentional that I ave what in the penis darkest what is bad
    at the characters of struggling is much is struggling 5
    think again in one of the things that drive me as it as a rider
    Ryder um to to write is it to try to understand something
    why don’t I go into a book RR short story

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    trying to understand I will try to understand people
    Illinois um and then what comes out
    the darkness or whatever I buy product of fat
    certainly that something that act that came out of the box
    f***  orexin thank you very much for your
    search for your call you know I’m just just for my 2 cents I got the idea
    reading this book this is a book in which no one seems to get clay

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    quite what they want but they sure are trying hard is it
    is is is is is is is that accurate a thing Ryan yeah absolutely
    might be a mom
    you can really teach a worldview in NM this is part of my my world
    world you think that um I think that’s honest I think a lot of people driving
    driving test note to search your life and I don’t always end up doing
    what they want to do all does a try and I think there’s something really

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    beautiful about the trying to struggle something Universal Rawlings age
    working on that I think maybe part of the darkness
    what is is the honesty that we do fail and a lot of people
    people fail a lot of people don’t get what they say set out to do a hot flash
    do you think that’s going to be on is is an ongoing semen you’re working your shorts
    short stories in the Bible so far or do you want to write about people who are you
    who are able to be on the market tomorrow um so far

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    farting a lot of it has been what were talking about
    actually on my wife out of my work cheats to make a comet
    sometimes I stare at your work is so fat
    sad person I’m not a fat person have a lot to be to work at you
    beautiful daughters 13 2 month old wonderful wife
    wife what is just um it just happens that you know the way that I see you
    the struggle of humanity I guess is that

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    lotto a lot of striving um and not quite Grafton
    after not quite getting what what you may want out of life
    now I suppose and I don’t know if this was on something or call it was was wondering about
    is if I ain depicting these people as as as
    really 20 on the dark sides and their lack of success in offense going wrong
    you are making a comment about a bad people in central Illinois people in
    Ellen Morton where were you grew up or just about people in general

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    people in general um I’m not in my ass
    why it is that supposed to be a parent as a trail
    all of the people in central Illinois don’t see all of the people
    you don’t want to end up like Michael Ealy mastersons name is mud
    is hometown because of the Spoon River anthology right right job that way
    you know that yeah yeah that that’s not my attempt
    alot of its just me trying to understand

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    the human condition that ends in trouble and you know what that means nice asses
    set this book in central Illinois because I know the details I know that that’s easy to say
    riders bag accessory there at work
    work places because they say in the area Faulkner
    North Mississippi Hemingway and I
    Academy stories that are all in the Michigan area
    area riders do if dead help

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    easier now ah terms of the Internet
    look up a lot of the tails in Everett ruined in an increase
    increase the artifice off of artifice and create
    the world just buy a cherry picking details of Internet
    do a little bit of this that and the f*** with a Las Vegas to LA
    Las Vegas wife about Las Vegas
    street name stripper dick in Las Vegas

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    internet in with the Google Maps you can figure out street name
    names located in UK I ll make it you’ll like
    like Las Vegas are the writers for from Las Vegas
    work
    like I said I did do that b***
    Air and you know I’m something something king
    there are the physical that there is there are the physical places you could you

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    what you could I draw the names of any particular place NC mention about writing about Las
    Las Vegas going to the internet you close your eyes and think that your hometown does
    does it evolve a certain feeling a certain atmosphere to you and can you describe
    scribe that yeah I mean um
    certainly dies ah the feeling that I am about
    is it I have
    have for a small town um I was after another

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    interview at app review talking about how I have to
    1119 of the dying of the town that was intentional
    but it possible that part of artifice mean
    small town anymore I live in Chicago different bed
    everytime I go down on my parents to live there
    I go down to central Illinois frequently in the end
    feel the contract I’m so maybe part of it was the

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    I’ll be leaving small town
    how that part of me is gone and I don’t have
    I don’t have a desire porn
    maybe it’s my own coming of age well that I was working out
    what were talking with Ryan Bartimaeus the author of onward toward what word
    what were going toward his first novel have from a publishing what’s the short break and women
    when we come back alright if you got a copy of your book with you you could you could read your text

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    Amedisys focus on wyll
    my back with focus on wyll AM 580 im Jim meadows
    does listening to an encore edition of focus when not taking life own call
    this hour but we welcome your feedback on our website at will.illinois.edu
    edu slash focused right now we’re talking with Ryan Bartimaeus first novel
    onward toward what we’re going toward came out a few months back from egg publishing
    follows the lives of the wall beezers chicken Diane buddy and Lisa G

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    as they try to find some sort of happiness in small towns in Illinois with cational for raise
    into Peoria and Ryan if you have an excerpt
    ready for the book if you want to set us up urine what’s going on church so
    um I’m going to read a short actor Pierre takes place in eyes
    1998 Saab the books band 50 year
    years and one of the story lines is chic wall be there at aerie chat
    Janet yo add those to have a romantic relationship

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    for about 2 months with a flirt with um I going to Florida
    how to run away to Florida where to check if I had his honeymoon
    is wife Elvis’s from June 16 1998
    fried chicken Mary at just me just mass
    ad Mary is going to take a check from the paradise
    paradise riverboat casino to ob to a bar that she’s been high
    black ass

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    very sad side chick in a minivan bag
    back slap she didn’t know anything about have accepted he was interested in her or she
    thought he was interested in her she can be sure she was losing losing her touch
    used to be able to get a man’s attention to the Cowboys the brazen bull with Internet
    can i order down to this guy
    if you didn’t seem like you should told her that have to be there
    is there for company after the third time Chicago to nursing home corrected her

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    technically assisted living facility he said with a smirk
    assistance living like he was making a joke but she wasn’t sure she got a joke
    it mean that you need help going to the bathroom and stuff like that she asked them
    Anne said that’s not what u mass she waited for the punchline but never came
    instead of her like she was supposed to say something but she didn’t say anything
    can I smell in the van musty and sweaty and Mary new iMac coming from
    check or could be Greensboro suits with which were in the laundry bag behind

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    baby Sun Hat bake them to crack the window whisper voice
    voice winner had told her that this was a bad idea was in the hospital and she was in a minute
    van with a bad could be the reason actually probably was the reason for the old
    the old man smell chicken smile ready
    where is Oliver be sad very turned on the ignition the radio rock 103
    106 Peoria classic rock station lasted heart Barracuda from the speaker
    speakers she love this song remember the time when she thought of herself as a barracuda

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    chi class in a rear view mirror install retirement home by your back out of a parking spot
    carefully before she could halfway out she had to stop letting people walking
    6th grade class cross behind her a white hair lady
    lady with Walker made eye contact with her while bald guy in flannel shirt
    wrist watch with very thought of green hospital is ham
    hand last night’s NFL phony long fingers with pencil
    she had what happened to the human body over time you need to get back to the hospital

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    voice that we doing with this guy chicks with fat chicks
    down in the back and chest don’t say anything there’s more
    Morris don’t move guy wearing a members only when you’re alive
    looking around concern right left over her shoulder chick with scratch so far down
    is practically on the floor supposed to be on a pot Jesus Christ
    price the new low she was kidnapped in an old man
    is assisted living residents allowed way back

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    you asked him did you ask him to come with you
    greed likes you use with a light, or think you could like him
    I’m driving back to we care accept from a substitution
    in Middleville and that’s a neck
    xnxn from onward toward what we’re going toward read by the author
    Ryan bartlomiej Mary Geneseo is who I called Mary
    Mary Norwood corset was her maiden name Marley stir on her previous their previous

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    previous name for any previous marriages shemale pad ob I was
    strokos without Mary’s character who is
    set by voice is essentially the voices of the two sides of her conscience
    chance the loudest voice in the whispering voice right and dumb
    that was that was really a character worry hurts the most interior
    dialogue long because of you because of the loud voice the whispering voice
    voice are always arguing over what she should do right yeah I was really

    00:32:35

    who is really with that I was really interested in the conflict of these two voices in Turbo
    pulling her ass in two different directions to whether or not
    give into this and Paul talking about character in a bowl
    earlier what are the importance of going to
    Florida with check in check out Florida which you want to go to
    op 40 chasing down his past in E
    Florida second chance with Mary

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    yo a** write his
    is is life is life is passed away
    and then the other voices for telling her that
    fat that she can’t do that anymore spend her entire life doing that married
    8910 time numerous times too many times to relieve a cow
    count account man in her life
    Hakeem from a man to man to man to man

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    other another time worksheets that important to do it yet again
    telling her that you can’t stop doing that
    play that out in her
    consciousness trying to get that alot of
    lot of us thinking that way I know that I’ve automat way for
    I have to go to voice is in your head
    opposite direction are you on your characters

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    how tall like specific people you’ve known are are are you drunk
    drawing from a whole lot of people in constructing a drive from a lot of people
    the book a kind of started when I started writing at
    like I said lack like in New York um I was thinking about
    about eyes this man his name was I check advance
    at night I use to clean wool country
    Airport how much is a small local 41 Morton Tom and eyes to swell

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    swim at with friends when I was 10 11 12 years old in Houston
    how to clean a pool in at the time he was a retired ad
    I was always really interested in his name he was around the community a lot
    lots basketball high school basketball game running
    high school talk to him about sport and then
    name chick Evans with the name so I started writing this story eyes
    IAAI I just have to use the name and started venting

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    a life for his name has nothing to do with chicken
    person in Wharton but I really like the name in MA
    eventually change the name to check wall to wall theater is a family name of mine
    myNet gay chicken
    that last check chicken no I don’t
    anything on bike 141 characters
    tell me how long does it take you to write the book

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    workout for 10 years 10 years of pretty regularly are offset on um
    pretty regular I mean I would stop to work out the projects
    you mentioned earlier that you read this story I’m Office flat ass
    fat ass house work on the Parkside I would take breaks and I
    short story come back to its my processor
    process as a writer s how to write a draft
    draft and then I will bring it out reaDit

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    note that I have literally kind of um
    set the next to me and I retake the whole thing Paige Wyatt
    white page by page um banana tempura inhabited
    the novel the characters the Texas
    a long time to do that are you re writing as you re type yes
    absolutely gas on large things I’m drinking bag
    Hanjin what are some of the biggest changes

    00:37:15

    changes you made over 100 over your multiple drafts
    what is consciousness for one that was kind of the biggest when we spoke about that
    that earlier jacket consciousness that really hot enlarged
    the characters Mary Geneseo is consciousness
    the the whisper voicemail loud voice audition
    Deshun that baby K minutes 607 like that
    that um so these things that I’ve that would a tangent that I follow

    00:37:50

    Maryland baby I can I can enlarge her consciousness by
    Best Buy having two different voices that she. In her consciousness
    that would be one really major difference
    this of course was the first novel you had attempted um
    who was the running process by itself just trying to put together a novel
    finally found a spot I mean I can cook with it for
    so yeah I end a lot of it was just know

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    teaching myself how to how to write a novel
    um at that that that that
    overcoming um I might go to
    if it’s difficult what to write
    bad overcoming up my own voices in my head
    talking about why you trying to do this
    caricature trying to write a love boys in Westbury Voice yourself

    00:39:00

    guided yeah early when you’re when you’re when you’re writing your
    kind of a in overcoming the voices in your head that are telling you
    why is it that at this
    why was St Paul of the temptations if you’re going to spend 10 years
    should know you were in graduate school during a lot of this time in your studies
    creative writing so you said they had some impotence to right right
    um but it would just be so easy to give up yeah absolutely

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    I mean it is it is it is it is it is easy to give up but
    message to something um what I’m really interested in writing is the discipline
    the point of it going to everyday I am working for an hour
    hour by hour and a half to hours whatever whatever it is
    something that is started
    meditative um to do that and that’s really was important
    the the publishing and Happiness

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    that’s a by product in math that’s great in it
    define and I like talking to you about the f******
    reviews Sol a sol byproduct of the real work
    the day today struggle of trying to rise
    trying to understand things about yourself and
    humanity condition I’m not really what it’s about I mean um
    there their and I hope you continue to write on

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    novels because that’s really wear Elvis really work
    fastest working at my work on another f****** baby to take another test
    baby won’t get published what the actual active writing and doing it
    going to the basketry day inhabited that at
    space I think that that that they can be a better person
    better father import
    well that’s interesting I think that’s the first time I’ve heard somebody talk about the actor

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    act of writing as being worthy worthy in itself
    rather than just the means towards the end I think I’m for lots of riders
    who are glad to a produced books but but then the necessary
    enjoy the process of doing so mean enjoys interest
    interesting words like the right words right Inc
    um I think it’s just the way I had to engage in an app
    processing mean let’s face it I don’t make em i dont make a living

    00:41:55

    the writer you know I’m not yet anyway to not a lot of money to be made as a right
    the writer um in the pressure to do to make a living out where would have to be
    would be so I meant to live on your craft of the refrigerator
    writer that I’m not sure I could handle that what would I can’t handle it
    is is is is doing doing this no. And trying times
    understand myself and condition like I said I’m going to it
    send using it as a form of meditation to form of a triangle

    00:42:30

    better person really that’s that’s what’s interesting
    that’s what I win when does the voice start talking in my head as I’m working
    working on PC action pretty dark times
    because I sleep affirmations to publish
    what you’re doing its not very good at work red eye mean I have to remind myself
    myself if that’s not the point no point isn’t that isn’t
    is in the results of the Labour the points is a labor and doing work

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    work well we are talking with a Ryan bottle made of
    who’s on first novel on we’re toward what we’re going toward your on focus
    Jim Meadows still time for your questions for Ryan at 1 800 222 945
    455 email acid will dash talk at Illinois .edu
    phone number again 1 800 222 wyll Bryan
    what you just said about being a writer being one who writes in the act
    the Act writing being valuable itself for hamsters in contrast to what you have a chicken

    00:43:40

    logic won’t be doing who was once he discovers that some of his
    really sad thoughts can be fashion in a haiku
    decides to be a poet which means for him growing up scraggly little beer
    beard and and and and and wearing a beret this is all part of being a poet
    what is Mars is Farsi is concerned yeah baby I’m part
    I’m part of that is why I was working out my myself what is this
    what does it mean to be a writer does it mean to be a writer’s how many appearances

    00:44:15

    and you know it in the novel that mad fat guy
    gross French beard Witches of a little bit of hair on anything
    where to buy red corduroy blazer in the book part of a poet
    guess what I was saying there to myself
    that’s not what writers out about trying
    what is out and in what you did
    who did finish a book and you also got it published with eg publishing which of

    00:44:50

    from what I’ve looked at it sounds like an interesting publishing house in itself if you can tell me anything about it
    sure yeah egg is a a small independent press
    craft and um in Brooklyn New York at about handbook
    your mom have 4500 literary fiction
    directions to have a nonfiction book well
    husband and wife team who are the editors ass
    I met them in 2009 at

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    AWP which is a
    writing conferences with it different cities
    Chicago 2009 my friend Davey D
    I wrote a question short stories of captive audience in a crate
    story egg and he wasn’t like
    2009 Robert F ass
    short stories is well I said to them in 2000

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    had they didn’t take fat collection short stories short stories
    what year after that I got an email 2011
    from Elizabeth I edecan she have
    thinking about your writing and I was wondering if you ever finish that novel that you are
    what you were working on iphone write a novel
    Hermy short stories and I haven’t finished it
    um I was working on the last draft the time but I told her when I finish that I want

    00:46:35

    Dover to her dad I am
    and I’m wondering what surf reaction has this book on back
    in your hometown of Martin um from from the people who died for free
    Earth from its got a pretty good reaction to reading air
    early on in September AdvoCare
    best ass I am
    people there 7500 people that’s pretty good ground for reading

    00:47:10

    Peoria Area reading for theres like 6 17
    74 there in a thing was it you know that is a
    small town small town new every one that was there
    girlfriends of my family and friends parents my parents and friends of mine
    miles from high school overwhelming mean
    published I know I’ve been away from work for for a long time
    time I think some people may have known that I was aspiring to be a cop a ride

    00:47:45

    rider high was kind of out of my forehead
    my first attempt to f***
    why did I have 11 gentlemen I came up to me I am
    when I grow up with his kids he’s my parents age Tom and ass
    find a Ruger art Garden City
    is that I used to name the family garden at the SSID character in the park
    Nicki Minaj beez in the first book

    00:48:20

    f*** first novel that I’ve Radford High School witches
    best flattery thats that he was in Spanish time pottery
    not a reader Adventist I’m reading a novel
    heard that kind of
    people that it’s like watching a movie
    down for an hour and a half and watch and watch it fall
    it takes a number of hours in the f*** is fornication

    00:48:55

    pages so that sounds like it was a girl
    really positive experience for what is after all a book about very unhappy
    unhappy people living in your hometown yeah um all the way I should say
    saying I think you eat you said you use trove put it in there but it is funny
    it is funny a lot of the time and I wasn’t I wasn’t sorry to be spending time with these people but they’re so
    there’s so unhappy right right yeah um like I said they are
    they are unhappy but through the humor in a bucket is funny ass n t***

    00:49:30

    how to freestyle eyes that I log into care
    characters elements of flapjack I think in the box
    and like I said I do I do have a desire
    um I don’t think I can force myself from my world you
    but I can balance it out with trying to make it entertaining
    characters who are struggling happy
    O’Ryan Bartman want to thank you for writing on we’re Georgia

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    what we’re going towards thank you for coming on focus to talk about it do you have a second
    second novel in the works I don’t right now why are you plan to work
    work on something my wife and I just had our second daughter regulation
    relation to take you to months ago so I am and I’m your waist Ethan
    father right now tell if I wore number material
    serial being created right as we speak exactly yeah absolutely
    absolutely but gets it to 129 looking forward

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