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Addressing the Digital Divide in East St. Louis

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    this morning in this our focus we will return to Atmos ups do we talk to Ben about
    and it’s something that is often referred to by the shorthand phrase the digital divide
    hide the fact that if you take a look at who it is that has computers uses
    this computer is involved with the Internet it tends to be more middle and upper
    upper income fox and not so much people on the lower end of the skipper haps for obvious reasons
    computers can be a little expensive and you gotta pay for internet access

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    accessing not everyone has that kind of money we will be talking this morning
    who were involved in a program actually is a program here in in our area in Champaign
    Champaign Urbana but also in East St Louis to try to provide computers
    Peters and internet access in some training to lower income people who otherwise
    wouldn’t be able to do that we have 3 guest hair with a sentence
    Martin whisky and Paul Adams from Prairie net which is the community computing network
    work here in the Champaign Urbana that has it home in the library skull

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    I had also Parkey George he is Professor Urban and Regional Planning
    and is also the interim director of the East St Louis action research project
    and as we talk you’re certainly welcome to Webkinz coffee have questions or comments
    we like to participate in the show anyway 333 will 494
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    thank you very much! Just me and maybe for anybody who doesn’t know what
    what Prairie net is why don’t we just talked about that for a moment

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    what is bright now all about as you mention pregnat say a community computer
    computer network we found at the graduate school library information science back in 93
    83 we are served as the first ISPs Internet service providers in the sky
    in this community and Dives Cincinnati 3 Wii 5 extended the
    the types of services that we make available to the community we host
    websites have boats and boards email
    will supply training we work a very closely with the Urban League in other groups

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    groups in the community to provide training for to low income individuals
    and when we get donations we recycle computers in Tekkit
    do I get them out to the community we also I provide technical assistance
    four organizations that would like to have a web presence or wood
    would like to purchase computers to El Patron activities
    that is well okay then tobyturne professor Georgian Inn have you talked a little bit about the
    about the East St Louis action research project Alabama

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    universities being associated with CV St Louis since 1987
    1990 that became the St Louis action research project
    Amanda Scott raped by two rather unique approaches to dealing with community
    community one is reaction to reset wifi work on building scholarship
    ship not separate from communities we don’t eat these places celeb
    DeBarge you that we going steady would rather we work with the people in the US in the neighborhood
    neighborhoods in the community how to generate knowledge as a nice because it is

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    is service learning do we have number of course is a concluding the
    recent one in a lab information sciences with students who work on you
    open university courses for acne are involved in community projects with a
    where they work with community in exchange for the knowledge gained from the community
    do the back some kind of a service project rebuild in the neighborhood f*** could be rebuilding
    Community Church it could be installed in computers
    Indian Community Technology Center so we have a range of things

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    its been dead its been in existence
    1990 in that phone but you had
    associate with the St Louis since 1987 I get it in your involvement
    then with the pregnat folks can because people that you were working with an e St Louis
    said we need computers and we need machinery we need hardware
    we need training we need help because we think this would be a really important develop community development
    they said that to you and then you paid lateset Wilde pregnant

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    have done this year in Champaign Urbana expertise that’s all
    they became involved in the world
    Cuban engaged and using the Internet and web based resources for delivery
    information to that’s the way we connect our selves with the community because 180 miles away
    no that was in a bit music coming up here we all got interested
    interested in that we did a lot of web based web based information delivery
    at some point the red eyes though that we would delivering information

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    who was in the capacity of the community to receive information with finding out
    and we did try in several instances to set up small technology centers
    computer that’s been realized we don’t really have the expertise
    what to do that kind of kind of what and that’s when
    last year and then then then the blood
    describe it in this list with lyrics what’s up what’s are the things have you been
    your brain at guys doing their panties

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    as we start looking at this is a possibility that it quickly became apparent
    apparent that we were going to have to bring in a lot of resources to trade a refurbished computers to build
    Labs a lot of what we do naturally but it does take a lot of human
    human powered to work with that especially with the donated computers we get that have to be tested
    tested and refurbished when we were looking at this last summer it quickly became
    who became apparent that a course I teach a introduction to network information systems
    had all the people power we need it and we realize we could take me

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    3340 student that were in that class use them to help us
    do the work I modify the Corsa that their final project
    would be setting up for different labs within the East St Louis Community
    the student then we had received a donation of computers
    computers from team technologies up in Chicago and they
    they had given us 220 hundred thirty computers
    to work with we’re going to shoot for having four laps of 10 to 15

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    15 computers are cells so we need 60 working computers we had to
    the students work through the semester can a beating up computers finding all their flaws what wasn’t working
    king of all the hundred twenty computers we have donated we manage to get
    almost exactly 60 working once out of the package
    what the computers they took to trip south east Saint Louis the first one
    party was mentioning its more than just doing it and dropping it off
    coffin saying there you go this is what we came up with we actually made the first visit

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    is it all the students looked at the site of doing step down
    spoke with all the people who would be receiving it found out what sort of interest
    first day had what they were going to be trying to do with the computers and then the students custom tail
    Taylor to computers taxi service needs the second trip then was the actual
    actually deliver the computers and set them up we have thin steak in a few other students out
    salt on a couple different visits to fine tune some of what was out there to add some capability
    abilities like Internet access so the whole app to have internet access

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    and we’re not developing a training manual for help the sights mean
    lights maintain the computers and do basic troubleshooting and us
    so it’s gone through all those different steps never matter of just dropping it off its always me
    what they need designing it to suit does need an and training them to
    actually used computers and to maintain of computers
    some of the students in the semester schools dismissal working on em
    McCracken come independent study in which they continue the relationship with you

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    the technology centers that they help set up my mentions window with Daddy
    Justin technology stuff some of them help fix the neighborhood park in Lititz
    free pit it’s a pizza broad based collaboration in nursing students
    first one to get a video real hands on wintergreen
    1207 transformed innocence by then being able to have this really wants in on the way
    the way you have it setup is wealth of the initial part on your first visit is
    is actually a 2 review St Louis to see an overall image of what’s happening

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    what some of the challenges are there face so its not a narrow focus on chest
    just technology absolutely it’s such a broader look what we have lunch at
    at a soccer field that has been transformed the first visit we are out there and watched
    watch the kids playing soccer so there’s a lot of feedback is going on
    so what sort of things that did the people that were using to people in need St Louis were using the computer
    what are things are they using them for an example of
    Olivia and summarize what the difference between cut 350

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    how to set up an event to setup a technology center
    euthanization
    training to local residents that are in the
    local area and this could be us the computer is it could be
    vines word processing and things like that but it isnt sleep training online
    give an example of Doctor Who Scott Lusk
    ask a job she had in in St Louis metro area

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    do to take on to become the leader of the pastor of the new beginning outreach ministry
    310 East in Centerville in Centreville richest guy next door
    East St Louis and she uses her to the technology center
    set up to provide training two people in the media
    but she also Hooksett up as an incentive for people to come in have had sex with
    Jesus and i cant use it take nothing for this job
    so the DD Technology Center poteau

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    what does another example with her actually would be as well
    that she recognized the need for a budgeting
    eating having people learn how to work with finances more so
    when she gets back the introductory Windows training she actually than offer
    second chorus that an add on courses that looks at how to
    how to use the spreadsheet capabilities of the computer to develop a personal finance software
    software that helps them learn how to do more effective budgeting and financing of their system

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    what’s going on other household so what a lot of it it goes beyond
    Beyonce what starts with huge how to use a computer but it moves onto here’s how to
    improve your wife using this technology I think the type of
    all four sites really user driven in the case of new beginnings
    there their individuals who come to doctor and say I need that I need to
    YouTube learn word because this is secretarial positions open up and say that I have to have
    Ventura create that died curriculum in an offer

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    offer at the just as in the the forth a site which is not face to face bass
    bass tab but I use recreational facility they want to get in
    getting to the kids actually learning how to work on computers and possibly
    are relationship where they could
    that work on computers for people on the community and make a little bit money let me hit it
    the number to the entries are guest 4122 Indian in little bit here we have
    we have with us in studio Smartwool ski Paul Adams from praying at the Champaign Urbana community

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    unity computing network and also Varkey George who is the interim director of the East St Louis
    St Louis action research project is also a professor of Urban and Regional Planning
    talk about some of the activities in East St Louis that has been Bob both of them
    the of the action research project and pregnat in setting up some computer
    computer labs there to provide people experience with computers some training
    internet access and so forth and questions of course you’re welcome 333
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    how much exposure in school there any St Louis young people
    people get when do the schools are they also making some effort or do they
    do they face I also a resource kind of problem in for it for them its difficult to
    to provide that hit the day they do face a problem but they also face
    lil boosie to do this kind of stuff
    the stuff Duncan Cohoes inequalities Evansville
    every looks at the school district of being the better at the worst possible

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    50 have the resource constraints and going to the prejudice
    within that I type I believe that they doing the best they can sue for instance in Windsor High School
    Tuesday that you started a Cisco Academy which is that day they made it
    did the train students to work a network Cisco networking equipment
    end up for you maybe it was a more about the Cisco Academy Frisco jazz music
    do they have programs like that they have a fairly well figured out
    computer lab that introduces to dance to robotics and software of fish

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    multimedia software various kinds of God people trained
    chained that so they do have some resources some big Timmy the biginning
    McKinley Didymos Resources Anthony people to be smooth supportive of what they doin
    doing and not be very critical of what they doing the short periods of time does it get in the school
    cool also are we could start but that isn’t where all the consolidation
    what happens in that is it where they burn to start taking it be on with just the basics of learning in school
    school we were just a router last weekend talking with Greg

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    Greg Lewis Bride of Christ he was pointing out the difference between
    Queen the youth corps City have in the Senior Corps City have
    teaching two different courses to reach 6 week 1 courses and
    one of the seniors of foods not fitting in on the youth chorus and think why are we getting
    learn all that stuff and he’s pointing out what they learned a lot of it at school they have alot of bass
    the basics but there’s still a lot of the consolidation it happens in the middle and upper
    homes that have the computers at their home that doesn’t happen with the law

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    the lower class community when they don’t have access so having that additional access Atlanta
    the web really make a difference because you know if you move you look it up
    technology pervades it until it’s it’s it’s easy for us to keep up with things into
    and to be done to an to use disdain in infected with butt
    but you know foot for many of these did the emphasis of many of the kids
    exposed at school that is in the provision of technology in India live sex video
    to be able to have the skills to get them to the job market in Cincinnati

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    will it was really wondering when you look at the people who are using these computer
    adults or whether they’re all so young people in the weather this works out to be
    how to be an adjunct or a supplement to were somehow builds on whatever kind of exposure that
    did the day get in the classroom in school and sounds like indeed yeah that is one of the things ive done
    what is an Italian does if there’s a lot of the Fallen
    volunteer everything going into this out of computers were donated the students work on them
    there must be some expenses if if internet internet access

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    what actually does this end up costing and how do you cover
    cover the cost where’s the closest is
    is it from the nation of computer and what causes travel
    Keeping Up with People of the presidents with me to a movie fund
    that kind of activity is it to service learning course it contributes to
    St Louis and so we become a country
    how much it cost but its very significant in a baby have a budget for service learning

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    learning of outreach and fitness and we use to cover the costs and is also cost for
    best for the host sites to an after credit card sue you know keep the lights on
    your panties to the bills and also the internet connection
    phone line so they have they have some contributions to the project is well that’s actually been
    Cuban or last visit again when were at Dr Scott love New Beginning outreach
    program shishotas is noted that she has had to cut fat
    cut back on the amount of training can she could provide because of the

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    700 for Life team bill and that was with
    what was with cut back for this isn’t she had tried to do all the after school programs that she had wanted to
    building she couldn’t afford it so ugly Yahoo
    Electrical cost we don’t often think of that but the computer
    computer monitor speakers about to amps
    running a web of 15 computers at 30 amps
    that your drawing well that adds up in additional utility cost

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    so why they come from a lot of different areas but the books
    trying to cover the cost of the innovative ways to have a
    75 a $10 fee for doing this course but don’t hold
    old computer village with another organization working but he says just bring up
    a10 of canned food that your contribution to Italian Ben Folds
    they have caused minivan coverage to an Operations but they have
    interesting and innovative ways of recovering some of those costs

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    making the team a meaningful to the people who are getting it
    bigger challenges for starting a face now though are when you do look at internet access cost
    cost 1015 points per month that you can
    internet access with seam trim your butt down there you
    Connect charges that are then added on add to your phone bill
    you also have issues of access speed
    when you look at phone quality the phone quality there is not selfish

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    sufficient to run at 56k let alone 336
    in one case up with had to downregulate down to 1900
    well you know you start going at that rate and it starts a
    making a significant significant different 1919 cake but I
    but ive it makes a significant difference in the quality for you have to start with
    can you upgrade the phone service or find alternate methods
    that some of the struggles for going through right now as well have you find other organizations

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    is a Shenzhen in East St Louis Wednesday see what these folks are doing stopping by NSYNC
    looks pretty interesting in the end the other people thinking about trying to do the same thing
    what we call the digital use a collaborative
    that’s a group of a 2000 so different community based organizations local government
    agencies that are interested in the NBA
    so we start a meeting in October of last year and we
    we put together a proposal for funding the collaborative itself

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    is is the whole coordination and
    open audition for these activities that affect significant
    good times cafe
    compose out the director of a technical assistance Antony St Louis spend a large amount of a time
    what time on this and it’s a really heavy thing to count
    so you’re looking for funds to support the collaborative
    do you have somebody administer ministry

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    data support for this exactly but come together we become aware of
    it may be 17 to 20 different Technology Center
    independence Ohio for the north
    fàcebook
    what other people are doing to Princeton University Edwardsville
    has Lucas set up the Griffin center Moriches
    8 youth oriented of Computer Technology Center with assistance from Sprint

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    sprint able to spend as a campus compact of some kind of program like that
    this is quite successful but it wasn’t meant to be from the collaborative
    abrasive that really good sense of the range of activity center on there
    we have got to talk with a to do that in Champaign
    Payne County annex line for hello
    the call their online for in Champaign County
    well okay maybe he’ll come back to the phone num in it

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    let me again introduce our guest are we talking here with Martin
    Smartwool ski and Paul Adams from Prairie net which is a community computer network you’re in Champaign
    Champaign Urbana based in the Graduate School of Library and Information Science
    science at University of Illinois and also joining us is Marky Georgie’s interim director
    director of the East St Louis action research project of the college
    fine and applied arts at the of a he’s a suppressor Urban and Regional Planning written about some of the efforts
    words that they have all been involved in trying to provide some

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    access to computers on a computer training and internet in East St Louis
    Lewis and questions are welcome 333 w Aloha or 9455 also
    800 222 w 101 think I may be a professor George Kentucky
    a little bit about I guess I’m just curious about what’s what’s going on these days and how things are
    how things are going in East St Louis because it’s one of those places that do that do what we stand
    used in the past one would think of as being just about the most economically
    advantage Darien in the entire state

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    how are things going in a St Louis web
    frequency and so sometimes some of the positive changes Escape
    escape me of somebody who would be in a 96 and one of these
    what weekend I went back last year was saying it’s been a huge improvement in in
    in what he saw what you saw their butt
    there are still some very serious challenges economic primarily but also
    also if he is a basic premise and lose its luster

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    2050 population since 1964 someone 90002 30000
    2014 what that means is you’ve got only one third the number of people
    people to support the infrastructure the government take for granted
    drawn together in champion to give you a sense of champagne
    Dr sixpence about 35 of 40 dollars per person per year
    Leah Remini St Louis that’s about $5 a person
    what you did in the resources available to the number the baby from Bruce WI

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    Lisa said he said was involved with soap
    how do you deal with
    abandoned Delich properties because you don’t people leave the property that CO
    some of them I have absentee landlords Ouranos and it deleted
    derated so there’s been a fair amount of efforts by community
    organizations to deal with these problems and they haven’t been successful differences
    distance with a limited resources of demolished in Ted something like 3000

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    abandoned property the
    the once and dismayed kind of a big difference has been
    lesbian nulytely the electrical system that was electrical system that was built from
    good from St Louis Airport Lambert field to downtown St Louis
    10072 East St Louis that has opened economic opportunities with
    East St Louis in huge waves
    primo soda as a public or federal expenditures is really it’s asleep

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    could you suck my benefits and be with an expected
    most investments it’s it’s it’s interesting
    interesting investment is housing so we have
    neighborhood that’s going to be invested with a package going to listen to 50 million dollars in New Hope
    new housing around this light rail station soda rock video
    very clear up positive change St Louis
    very good challenges also so for instance the city’s infrastructure is crumbling

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    simply inviting some like a hundred million dollars to to fix that and
    we don’t know where that’s going to come from the digital divide is a is a is a huge issue
    what I think the positive
    what did the kind of cord positive aspect of this whole thing is the strength of the people
    and community organizations that but they’ve got a phone
    examples he gave you babe bring that time in the talent to produce innovative
    interesting ways of dealing with the problem we are there 2

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    help them do specific things with diesel dinner ideas
    embarrassed with soap
    I believe the situation improve the lot of both in terms of
    the cities of the deal with this problem and the people supposed to do with the problems of cell
    so I think we can try again with R Champaign County Collier Land Before hello
    hello I just have a moment but the same apocryphal stories from the area was worth it
    what some of the abandoned buildings were in that way

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    from 1914 are riot happen
    which was not just right but I attack on on African Americans living there
    and then other one is so f*** monster fuller I was quoted as saying
    may or may not be the case but the arguement was it he said must what’s up
    it was the worst ghetto in the world smallest dick point of view because of the lack of Sun
    Avision of people there I hope thats being overcome by Trinity groups but then
    but then it probably was the case when he was there in that was probably late 60’s

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    are there other units are doing things their understand I guess maybe I didn’t hear the introduction
    is LARP
    little bit about more general notion about the digital divide a
    I don’t know if people saw this but the one of the places where
    this is where this discussion with taking place was by the FCC in the commitment
    by the Cunard I guess what’s his name to chair the most recent
    where is so Paulo and he supposedly said the digital divide

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    do what I don’t really know if this is the case study
    basically is diminishing the idea of a digital divide is a socialist
    social justice issue and doesn’t look good that’s all I wanted to say at this point hanger
    don’t hang up and listen well I don’t end in AB at my headgear
    Gibson opportunity I guess just did it maybe again so to make a point about why it is
    is that access to computers having some computer skills
    skills internet access might be in something important for low income people

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    well I suppose some people would come along and say there a lot of other things the disadvantage people
    people would need more than a computer
    and yet it same time I’m sure you’ll be prepared argue that you know thats thats really
    really being that that’s very old thinking why would you say
    do you say that the digital divide was indeed an issue in which something that would be important
    frost be addressing I think for stuff we need to look at
    the community St Louis de identified the digital divide as an issue that something that was her

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    it was very important to them feeder fell to their being left behind they didn’t have adequate resources
    resources and I think a lot of comes with the wanted something better for your children
    children and seeing the computers computer used computer knowledge as
    as a means to maybe that’ll help the community butt help with children in East St Louis
    how to move beyond community I think so mo fo what we’ve discussed
    discussed in the past as well is whether you’re talking about to do
    how to do something its related to the.com society or whether it’s

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    more of an organizational issue tour
    Bang and we would talk alot about.com
    everything of.com these days and what are you doing with commentary ecommerce
    etrade and if it’s just a matter of that certainly have some issues
    issue weather there’s a valid reason for bridging the digital divide is it because
    cuz no they can’t afford the Mercedes of shopping online
    they have to use the it forward of having to go to the store

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    Odin and then you can have a discussion weather digital releases
    valid or not but I think when you look at the digital divide is something that represents information
    firmation and a totally different lifestyle change that is happening
    is an information economy then I think that
    did something is very relevant it does need to be bridged that it is a life
    is a lifestyle change its a different way of living and
    more more people move to that the people who move to that are the 13 bad to get the better paying job

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    how to make a change in your life Mexican stupid comments
    when is you don’t have to go to the St Louis to see the digital divide you have been champion of the night soil
    so its not that far away about the desert
    does giving examples of the of the light rail system that was
    physical divided between the People v St Louis jobs in St Louis
    and by bridging it with the light rail we were able to have a significant effect
    back in people’s lives better boo to deal with their own problems was so with this data

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    give them access job opportunities is exactly the same thing with the information
    the information age they are on the wrong side of a battery a
    between this whole world of opportunity that we take for granted
    and it must be something done 2222
    what do is not just Dutchess from from
    Debbie Farrell from from flipping off to promote equity because it will help them
    do more effectively with their own problems did they do not need

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    in Hondo to think that they can do but that promote effective leader if they
    are allowed to be just like when they were allowed to bridge to the river
    what provides get access to the jobs
    it’s the same kind of impacted think would be felt by big do the dishes
    The Onion Prius programs I think bulb on Martin Ave Boston hear anything
    think that we have talked about the the idea of community
    computing and what that’s all about and it will be there also has been

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    has been a lot of talk about computers being an isolating Technology Project Lead the computer in the home
    ideas on how people are spending time in front of the machine that they previously would have spent
    interacting with other human beings face to face but I think something that I know that you
    you are interested in is this idea that the computer
    Shooter and Miku networks of computers can be tools for
    community building which is something good on the face of the time people might really not
    quite get is that something that you can talk about when you

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    work with computer and for many of us is the natural
    process anymore are we have her email account we have
    web accounts and we are getting better at seeking out information and sharing information
    information but when you work with a committee
    by and large you still do it face to face when
    you try to develop ideas often for Stewart face to face
    what’s the technology does well is allowed for you

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    for you to do follow up sharing of information its a silicate
    the passing back and forth of appendices of information if you will
    but that that face to face meeting is still what is the crucial aspect
    two building the relationship that allow for collaboration to happen
    that happens within the academic community here at the university
    city but it also happens in business and it also happens within the community
    that most of what we do in community building in helping

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    helping communities to build themselves first happens face to face
    and then the technology is something that’s added on to help facilitate
    above and beyond that meeting which make them more cohesive
    a better product overall I would like to visit Oso
    yes computers could be isolating butt
    the technology centers appear creatine are actually becoming social places
    in neighborhoods that don’t have social places so you know that the meaning of

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    mini of those who sings two sons of gun and release of technology center zip is in one way of finding the
    huge hole in the neighborhood so technology could have
    if I can bring people together most of India right now Isaac also to because
    East St Louis in such a large geographic area that people are scattered throughout
    that by developing the sinners that they now are able to share information
    nation of people in another region of the city I fink guide
    as we build more the Senate Daniel have more people involved in more people know what other people

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    people doing in a community summit success even of building the centers has often
    is often relied upon using public gathering places at the beginning point
    that helps to make the technology less intimidating because they’re not
    is there not going into these pristine white walled environment there going into the public
    Republic finance now just something else fits at the public center instead of being
    is a totally different place in us recycling place in the
    with one is is one of an actually in a church gsmarena

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    is it when you
    when you you said that one of the things that happen once you discover that there were other people who did you have not been aware of the
    is it is it fairly common that accept us some sort of faith
    based organization ends up being the host if it sits it quite common
    summit have for instance a second victim does it make
    crosses second chance shelter I think its for a 4 foot is a shelter for women
    and they have wind chill be heaven what’s a wide range of

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    shifting but yes I would I would think that the majority of faith based on
    yeah I would think so like a good one coming to the economy
    calling me about buttons to fullest statement about people liking vision I don’t know
    with the first name of hearing about it but that is a common problem of people from the
    Beyonce in some of us we go look at what is of visually
    really sad state of affairs

    To blame the people who are there for the for that state of affairs but that’s if you look at

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    if you look at the surface if you look below the surface road is erotic stories
    city of people who who do incredible things with these
    is limited circumstances to get some done for instance
    and I like to eat St Louis she’s a stablished the museum that she lived
    she lives that you can t conducts dance studios that so no its II don’t
    I dont believe its its its for lack of vision that the people have it
    its it’s just that so many is been ignored for so long but the place and its problems

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    note for so long by us in a byte better combat bats Penn State
    bye bye the nation that’s where the problem lies it’s not full
    vision I think that they have a vision they don’t have the means relaxation
    the longer infrastructure programs problems go on
    attended to just gets worse and worse and worse just makes that much more difficult
    difficult to deal with just the most of the basic sorts of issues
    must be so much beer summit groundwork so much repair Somerton something you have to take care first

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    before you can get on to other things to prepare the one lab that we worked in
    we are actually had to have a different work crew come in to patch holes in the
    and the walls of us so that you didn’t have no landing on the computers
    is it a fight with had to go
    to go to Dave had to do electrical upgrades ORF
    how did just because of short circuit finder
    yeah there’s a lot of infrastructure work that has to be done in each other places continuous become more

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    amor Amor promise at the end of the street the property tax rates
    anything goes highest state of Illinois at believe you know because
    does it have to be have to raise revenue and so the rate that they charge project is high
    what that means when you put a new building a new house in new home
    one of those properties the tax the actual fact that you’re so you know
    Vinny have a vision but then a disc on the problems that just don’t listen to anything
    do anything about it it it it it it Dennis Rodman little bit when people

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    people are these people is easy don’t know they don’t have enough
    do their own in a 67 problems
    things that act the forces that act against in improving the situation
    we have just about 5 minutes left in the Locust Ave T & A questions are certainly welcome
    welcome and maybe I should look like Ginny produce reduce our guest Martin whisky Paul Adams are involved with prayer
    Prairie net community computer network in Champaign Urbana parking George is a professor
    Regional Planning he is also interim director of the East St Louis action research project

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    project questions welcome 333 w Alto 800 22
    222 w while license at this is something you would like to continue doing and expand
    and Worthing King in the short term say the next time
    1218 months of expanding the number of sides we have currently down there
    down there with your 42 possibly 8 or 12 and its working mansion Wii U
    we have been trying to secure the chiffons before the state and federal government to help
    to help us do that what is this we mentioned earlier was

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    the instructions to take off the phone in structure and how it was
    f*** poor quality and this creates problems with the vagina
    people trying to dial up Internet have internet access to one of things would like to do
    is use the slope office downtown St Louis
    as a point of presence and then I try to get broadband
    that site and then be able to provide data that internet connection to
    who are partners in East St Louis possibly by using wireless system

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    passing the antiquated phone system
    if its active really effective applicable solution because he’s a loser
    an example of civil areas that have this population spread out over a large area
    area and width combat instructor silly Wireless may be an effective way of getting
    getting Doug Gittins Internet connectivity duties of lung
    fashion technology centers in Dallas
    battery as a way to prepare a wall for soliciting donations of can

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    computers and such that its just a matter of fact
    weather in did you were still interested in used equipment
    articular of winter coming from office settings work particularly well
    because you getting larger batches do the identical hardware Richmond
    make it easier to put into sites second of all there of the network for that come with the network
    network cards already in place does to combine really help
    set up the computers in the past use a lot of the spirit

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    Pizza the amount of effort that goes into recovery
    become quite a challenge when we get a nice large batch of office
    office computers it’s much more simplified to put the items
    absolutely you know if you can get as significant donation of computers in place
    next semester next fall a duck take my 315th doing some good start all over
    recipe Flint s involving the time on computer based projects
    60 are the projects in East St Louis we looking for volunteers intentional website

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    www.es
    larva uc.edu the whole bunch of information about the
    the project nobody St Louis in about volunteer opportunities abound
    bountiful Pointe where we used our time are there any last last things you like
    when I get up again
    and we say if people are interested in finding out more about the
    the East St Louis action research project of which rocky GA

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    dream director again that it is the address their website is www.
    w.eslrp.uiuc.
    c.edu so you can check that out and people are interested in volunteering their time
    time there and they can get in touch with you and also if people are interested
    interested in talking with the Prairie Netflix about donating machine
    machines at equipment might be good idea to call and say its what I got
    I got can you use this and then go from there that would be wonderful absolutely

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    244 1962 to call
    does a can coke give a call there and contact us and we
    and we can make arrangements to take a look at the quipment pick it up and drop it off okay
    well I want to say thank you very much for being an inspiration
    Ski and Paul Adams from prairienet and park at George he is with the dog with the east
    St Louis action research project is also professor of Urban and Regional Planning at University of Illinois
    Illinois