Women On the Internet: Welcome, but not really welcome?

                                    
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when University of Illinois Chancellor Phyllis wise email to students to tell them that Monday

classes would go on despite subzero temperatures there was pushed back online

some of it by way of a rude Twitter hashtag which soon collected racist and

sexist remarks. Stupid college kids blowing off steam are an example of

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what women in academia often endure online. I’m Jim Meadows and today

today on focus our guests will talk about incidents where men in academia target women

online journalist Amanda Hess

anthropology professor Kate Clancy, and Field Museum video blogger Emily Graslie

are program continues after the news

welcome to focus I’m Jim Meadows

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Yesterday University of Illinois Urbana campus student body president

the president of many Boldin issued an apology to Chancellor Phyllis Wise

it’s not for anything he did but for hostile tweets at some students and

her after she announced class was in session on Monday despite frigid temps

temperatures old is a statement saying that the student body deeply believed in

maintaining inclusive pluralistic community of the sexes

Asian racist tweets sent with a special hashtag misrepresented those Canaan

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community values a relatively small number of people center suites in many work

mini work quickly taking down but there an example of a sort of target women risk becoming

on the internet just for being women positions of leadership are in areas of

research with air considered by some to be Outsiders later on this

this additional focus on talk to to guests weather during hostile online communications

patience just because of their gender right now let’s listen to Amanda Hess

she’s a freelance journalist who recently wrote about her own experiences with

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is with abuse online for the Pacific Standard and

white women arent welcome on the internet she writes about internet civility of silver

civil rights issue describe the extent to which readers of gone over the years to tell her

how much is a dislike her work in several instances she was a threat

threatened with rape and murder she told will News public affairs director

Dr Scott Cameron in this a prerecorded interview that even though she’s disappointed

by the tweets sent by somebody u of I students on Sunday night she’s not at all

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surprised I think everyone who has any sort of public resin

present weather its just a social media site or

large university has more experience if they are

any martial ice candy what is there already

MyCase a woman in a case you’re the university was both we have a

have a chance this is the top rated M campus she’s a woman

Asian American online being attacked a container to Hitler I want

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I want quote said that I’m not going to Pier one quote said that Asians in women

when women are responsible for their actions the putting online images very intense

personal criticism in the end of the day this is an argument about the weather

right on this is an extremely coming experience

inside my case um the sort of feedback

what I get for my stories ranges from a typical

bottom of the barrel sexist insults of sexually explicit cost

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commentary commentary on the way I look up a body looks like

if you case is escalating to actually criminal threat

threat of rape and death Andy’s art

are criticisms interest to a penny in today have they don’t

um still engaged my opinion anyway

Stifel this discussion derail my work on and make it a lot more

more difficult for women people of color

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sexual minority to have their opinions

B you know to start with on the level of the

the work as opposed to their identities event happens again and again

again what is the long term effect of repeated online attacks

against really any woman steps out in his suit Do It Yourself Auburn says here

Here I am doing my work I’m living my life online everybody else there must be

must be in effect in two ways in one

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when is on the person attacked us like a sand in the kisser many women

women that I spoke with diesel the tax

take a lot of time for us to deal with in terms of reporting them to the police

in terms of us cycling through all of the accused to find

constructive criticism about our work which is extremely important for us to

cage with on and they started tellason ways big and small to be

we don’t really belong in the public eye

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that are opinions are not relevant because of who we are

are they also have a lighter in fact I think I’m not just on the target

it’s been on anyone on in their communities who is a

is a woman or is a person of color I’m so in the cases

University days Brett stairs been a lot of

no focus on the threats against one person

public figure and focusing on house that might affect her

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does not use Twitter send a message

2919 nails person in the University community

that they’re not particularly welcome their definition Point

the Chancery barely has now scene between sanded coming down them saying that

this is the neighborhood full of this is it mean to have a conversation about civil discourse what that means

means on the campus to campus is not going to look pretty disappointed

this is a free speech issue and so far is that was the only one

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only responsible God directly from the Chancellor anybody else you’re the University of Arizona

the President on campus or other type of Ministers across the campus

as you talk about that kind of a message when message this send as this happens

intrusive thoughts on the decision not to discipline to say this is a free speech

free speech issue that we haven’t heard from other people at top levels on the campus in response to this

does that also send a message for lamisil for two Nitti

my case in cases many female journalist the only records

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horse meat have for the messages that becomes reading is the police

Lisanne as you seen in the case of the tweets

tweets not rise to the level of the criminal threat which is probably true of the display

display cases unlike other women who are working in the public eye

why are on the Internet Eastside wrestling start taking place

can place in a community that is extraordinarily well equipped

how to deal with the issue of go beyond at the letter of the law

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the lot to you look at the school code of conduct for temple all sources

what is speech is a regulated there from anything from

disrupting the community by Sheldon on campus 2

making sexually explicit comments rise to the level of her ass

and so the university has

address this issue a part of the community but awesome

application of particularly in terms of title nine to make sure that the

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the community is not one that is harassing for alienating to women on

non campus disappointed that they have on the date

the siding not to use thinking about the response

spawn something so often the message in a can you have talked about this before but the message

the victim is ignoring get over it or maybe even worse in CT

attack some sort of sign of progress that hey you’re being noticed online isn’t that great

yeah I’m definitely found that to be the case of for me and I think one

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20 minutes to call to know for dimple I am a writer who wrote a story about

about this topic that was extremely well read to me and say

you know that these Cummins fuel truck hold you back it anyway

women that we are not hearing from because they are

are so turned off by the Bar Method 8810 they don’t even

what is a place where they might succeed us we really don’t know

how many voices losing by Justice ep 2

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fireman statis hospital to win an herb people of color when this happens

send to you when you were attacked blatantly online repeatedly

repeatedly over years how did you respond to happen the number of

number of times over the course of my career and I really had no guidance for

how exactly to respond to the testing out different possibilities

some cases if it doesn’t rise to the level of a criminal

criminal threat to someone saying I’m going to come to your house and rape you in cut off your head

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what happened to just tell friends so I have a piece

peace of mind that other people know what’s going on and they can help me out

it’s an escalator in some cases right now

under their real names and it does for the price level for criminal threat report

the police even though I know to experience that it doesn’t

how to get results because I also feel that you know their art

hard to get some people want to tell them that this happened and one response

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ponces you should just right of the going to come to your house and decapitate you

which statement is probably true

people say this is a really serious this person is committing a crime and you should do

do everything your power to put them in jail so I left in for the

intermediary space where on the one hand I don’t want to

overreact other I feel personally responsible for reporting

and I fear that something is happening I have to report it

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why might people aint for not taking action I’m so I don’t think there’s really an ID

ideal response on but my tactic test into shorts

furtive share the defrost mince in the abuse

fused with people do I know we’ll be receptive to me talking about it

shirt with the police to get some sort of paper trail

hope for the best and it was a notice in the the Pacific Standard pizza

Pizza Jerrod you describe the first 20 Solis tres feeling terrified de Soria

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thoriated and then accepted it what what came next after Sun

after start of the initial shock of seeing you know totally anonymous person

you don’t know a thing about you and your body and

going to come kill you um I felt a variety of

ideas things a mean I did feel certifit in Paris that I was scared

scared because I know I am in no way want to take away

wave from all of the of violent crimes at police

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everyday and I felt powerless and apps

upset because I knew that these people found a way to

do criminal lean and get away with it basically

um and then I felt a responsibility to

you try to figure out why that is a guess I was just as journalist art of curious

curious as to why this is a crime that was a boy

power to portrayed on the Internet

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Kate Hudson

my life is to not just talked about my own story

small part of it but you really get a handle on exactly why technology

companies on 1st and fishel are equipped to deal with

the problem you wrote about some one woman Faced summer eye

similar online arrestment to Caroline Chris Perez and its information sheet

she she’s an example somebody who boy blasted right back what you did with dignity

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can you talk about what you would have another  sushi recent Gary in

very extreme cases of online against women she is

she is a writer and activist in the UK who started the campaign to put

you put more female faces on British currency of which seems like a fair

fairly benign skin pain in response

she got no countless 200000 off

of tweets from people who were threatening to rape her throat and killed her

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um just started loving extremely well commentary at her eye

and she really put a lot of pressure on both 146 and Twitter

buy a retreating alive used rides in listing for Twitter followers

words to take the issue seriously and she’s had

success on Scotland yards

arrested several people in connection to the Rights of Man and a couple of them

guilty to some charges 10 and 18

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who was the woman that I know that she’s also a lot of sex

text by not just started sleeping under the rug for self and cheese

cheese how to deal with a lot of

problems with the police in reporting the threats going back to these

used 2006 messages to send them to them again and doing all this work that

add a fuse to do themselves through it hasn’t been easy

easy but it’s certainly raise a profile of the problem

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the world getting better and sending a message this is not this is not okay

okay that you know what happened to the was no good guidance I’m not sure that’s a shame

change of seed as you and others Comfort Inn in describe experiences and talk about

about what would you Facebook how do you change then how do you make it more likely

more likely that as you enter system a mother be lawn forcement academia

with a tech company that there are one people who will take this seriously

seriously understand what this means in also have resources are available to people

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people who are looking for support for help with what is cleaning

attack a very interesting question and you know what I should have sound

sound in my story with that there’s no easy solution for a sew in

so if if Twitter could you know Institute a simple technological affects for this

this I have faith that the day would do that on the one of the things that I

3000 with most confusing for victims is it there seems to be practically

20 communication between life force mint and technology

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the company beyond this interaction where some times

if pressed 146 will subpoena a technological company

obviously a particularly in the current climate technology companies

NYS our are extremely averse to giving up any

NYS consumer data to a voicemail

perfectly understandable on the west coast

recently came out is that there is more there is the morning

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engagement from Stern small law enforcement agencies

how to use with Twitter so I saw a police officers from

California which is a very small agency of many of their office

officers recently joined Twitter and work in a conversation with the most air

citizens about the story about the issue us know if we can

can forgive you know in Courage 14 slant or um you know it

in this case  School Specialty

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how to have a better understanding of the Internet sexually live their life

like weekends in a think that can go a long way

understanding Inuyasha mentioned in the desert

shifter seems right now or maybe potential shipping should say that there is still on first

the tech responses on food a recent push to view this is a civil rights issue

yeah um I really Leons very heavily on the work

work of a University Maryland law professor name Daniel

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who has really sparked a legal to date on

which case is proposing that on my

online harassment women use as a civil rights issue

just as you know I’ll women’s educational opportunities

Andino others

breaking news have been legislated through the Civil Rights Act

um and I know it really started with not take necessarily

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really huge changes to the law on their own

legal framework that frame on minecraft meant that interfere

beer with your ex economic opportunity on the basis of race national

origin or religion as a legal discrimination but they don’t

2 gender um and state

there are others for civil frameworks for um

taking comments that are currently serve only friend

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does commentary telephone calls and texting them to come in

what are made over the Internet that’s a really slow process

and no lie called for the civil rights legislation

it’s going to take many years is not going to change overnight I’m thinking

increasing its impossible for the law to ignore the Internet

pretty hopeful did that happen

generalist Amanda Hess the author of white women aren’t

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art welcome on the Internet appearing in Pacific Standard magazine on their website

she spoke as today with wyll news and public affairs director Scott Cameron

this is focus on wyll im Jim meadows in today were talking about

talking about the abuse women in academic positions face on the Internet

not just the hostility level the Chancellor Phyllis wise for keeping your classroom

classrooms open frigid weather on Monday but hostility women may face for just being female

female in traditional email fields of research with me in the studio is

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is Katherine Clancy and she is an assistant professor of anthropology

hot at the University of Illinois blogs for Scientific American

scientific america.com about human behavior evolutionary medicine and ladies

lady business and recently wrote about the current flights of women in academia

and on the phone from Chicago Emily graslie she produces a video blog called the

the brain scoop for Chicago’s Field Museum of Natural History to find your work

work on the brain scoop channel on YouTube cheerful feature highlighting

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the science you can learn about answer Field Museum Emily says

cheese have to deal with some pretty nasty comments based on the fact that she’s a beaut

she’s a woman a pedometer emails stem science world Kate and Emily welcome to f***

focus thanks for having me thank you and I can do you work your on

on the U of I Urbana campus at war speaking from right now what was your reaction

action when you saw the news about the tweet set some students and send out about the Chancellor

um is is something that people have been discussing with you over the last couple of days

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um it has what was interesting with that of the mornings at

you know we found classes worth the night before we found classes would not be cancelled parents

it’s all over champaign-urbana found out their children’s classes were cancelled Ison number of Facebook friends

look for a friends and colleagues who were under stand Ubly frustrated with this decision

general University transfer your b*** at the other kids about the work that that we do not close

clothes for almost any reason and soap you know again in particular the Parents I saw work light

what about this the Minish do that without making character attacks on Chancellor wife

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why they were able to do it in a very thoughtful way that talked about the ways in which we should respect workers

and then I saw the bus be peace and busty piece of the one that I want

ensure quite Whiteley that call it a lot of these really awful racist sexist

best massages tweets torch antler why’s that created a fake of

Twitter account about her and a pretty awful hashtag

and I think it was really upset with other people who wanted to actually engage on this question of how to

how do we support workers are not support workers in these really in extreme climate conditions were unable

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unable to do that in the face because they didn’t want to side with some horrible

horribly sexist and behavior in and we’re not able to actually have a real conversation

okay um I want to bring up bring listeners into this conversation

patient as well what’s your take on the state of affairs with women in academia is it

is it something about the Internet itself that affect how people behave or should I just know better

better give us your view our phone number is 1 800 22 29455

i5 you can email acid will dash time Illinois .edu the phone number again

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is 1 800 222 wyll episodes

phone or email you can send your Twitter or Facebook at focus

focus 580 case you had your own story to tell in us

told on your blog scientific america.com be official name of the blog context

text and variations and recently you wrote about an incident in which you were

invited to work on an unidentified interesting project you just called a dime

cool science things in in the blog post office

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and I you were invited but in this train set of passive aggressive when can you tell me about

about that sure um I received an email from a man that I didn’t

I did not know of deceit someone who is leaving the school same thing and it was

and it was the first to secede was a prominent female scientist I didn’t know quite well and

email which is on the Block Post he said

you know this promise you’ll find us to said basically that she will not participating cool same thing and Leslie

improve like for women in school sign saying good point so inviting you

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um sew in no way was this a you know we thought about the ways in which

in which your particular contribution for your personal problem is a scientist might be meaningful for our project

project um we don’t actually really you know again the substance text to me was

does we really care about women in science but we certainly care about the appearance of its own

we can slightly increase our number so we can say have we had more this year than last year

really good for us independent weather we actually care about your contribution well I’m wondering

about that and sinking you know hypocritical things like this probably going

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go on more often than we care to think but people are usually

usually not so transparent about it and the Diamonds

just wondering is it is this just an isolated incident in terms of this being a pro

a person who didn’t know how to make Invitational was just so hold office

what happened to do it that easy Betty’s that he had to let you know

I think it’s probably the latter I think that he knew exactly what he was doing and he knew that it would

it would probably silence and alienate women but he also knew that you to feel the conditions of what

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what he felt prominent female scientist wanted him to do I’ve been contacted by

2002 received the identical email who recognized on my blog

blogging said oh I also was asked to be a part of cosines saying and I want you to know that I decide

decided not to be in it because I was really disappointed and offended by what I received

received and so it had frankly the intended effect that few women to come up on the offer

what he was able to appear like he was making the effort the prominent female scientist would continue to be involved

it was more complicated with you because you wrote back in you

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enduring Mart on the nature of the invitation but you also try to be part of the Bronx

the project and complicated heated um

can I try to explain that you know an email like that might make actually women feel left

welcome to participate in an email while pregnant

responded and said yes thanks for doing that um this man never responded

and then when I finally did um send in my submission

the very next day I was told that it was an appropriate and

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and when I turned it off the New York Times seems like it better for New York Times opinion piece

and so it was really me clear to me again

again um that they wanted me but didn’t want me to the sorry not sorry

okay that’s how it ended up that you’re not part of the cool signs

no eventually I wrote back to find a throwback week

pink and um I got another sorrynotsorry kind of

kind of an email from another from a person even higher up saying well

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really push for you in our policy is anyone pushes for you we let the person through we have

we have in social publish it so you’re so is this again

averi backhanded kind of a urine cluded but we just want to make it very clear do you but we

you are included come in a way that we are not really comfortable with me never really wanted

diversity hire Soto definitely how they made it feels

Roseanne understanding the contributions of the first people can make the instead of the number

number okay you of course were not quiet about this because you write about

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blog so um even though you didn’t name names

everybody love everybody Rita block knows about the situation I imagine

circulated a little bit of course paticipants know who they are and some people

male figure it out who they are they know them Shore what sort of response time

came out of that mean you’re on the internet now there are comments what happened

um there were a lot of people who do and

and this is the place where I am Legend Emily can have a contribution to is there a lot of people who me

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immediately questions why I was taking it series Lena mediately questions might own

tone up with Colton Police people were saying

well you know I think that this is a real genuine attempt of their to include you and I

you and I think that you’re just taking it wrong and are you really all that important prominent anyway

negative saying that you know me ti

longer anyway and I shouldn’t be bothered by these kinds of things and this is what happens when women try to get involved in

Alden science um this really come out of something that naked as as

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Direct has essentially same women which is a way of saying that women tumblr

Welland if I can waiting here for send SMS to response that

set up at that I get um you know why I had a video in which kind of address

address of the negative comments that I’ve been receiving is well and um people coming to like you

can you set yourself up for this let you agreed to do this and these,

comments when when you put yourself in this position if you want people to watch videos if you want people to read your blog

black p**** just have to toughen up and deal with it something that I want

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difficult I’m dealing with 2in with that in any kind of dealing with an accepted

accepting negativity you also um are expected to just

accept handouts says if they are hand out if you know somebody offers to include

could you add event in the give you a backhanded compliment and well you better just suck it up because you know they

you know they didn’t have to be so generous and I’m the kind of passive aggressiveness is what I think

pictures of lot of people from really want to participate honestly I’m really contribute

tribute unique voices you know if you’re that somebody is going to

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target them or think that you’re making a big stick

think about something if they you no question well what was that person’s attention inviting

fighting me to the fender having to speak about the topic well that’s something I think

also talks about the nature of a discourse on the Internet

which is more and more is our discourse we discover we talk to each other on the

on the internet that something I want to get to after the break were the midpoint of the program

and when we come back we’ll talk more with Kay cleansing Emily graslie about women the academic

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academic world and the online world and how some guys behave when all 3 come together

this is focus on wyll

welcome back to focus on Jim Meadows were talking about

about women academia the internet and what happens with these components intersect

set my guests on right now are University of Illinois anthropology professor

Kate Clancy and Emily graslie produces a video blog for the Field Museum of

Natural History in Chicago as we continue remember your comments are welcome

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at 1 800 2229 4550 remail ISAT will a dash time

talk and Illinois edu wear on Twitter and Facebook at focus 580

80 the phone number again 1 800 222 wyll

Emily I wanted to the show listeners maybe show is not quite a sprite

right thing to say on radio give them a little sampling up your video blog you can find it on

on youtube I need the title the brain scoop and here’s a little clip just just awful

map of a regular edition of the show

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country today rapid crime violent video games decoration Family Values

used for haps most importantly starting talk to differentiate properly between horn

horns and antlers generally use for defending territory fighting of predators and

Santa tracking mates I know nothing gets me going big Rockefellers

antlers no 7 horn anyway I hope it gives you hell

general idea fundal feature popular science sum of its a little

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a little gross because you know dead animal specimens and things like that but it is science

that’s one way to hook a 9 year old boy inside all of us but Emily recently you posted

did really a difference edition of the brain scoop really not talking

walking about a are the signs in the exhibit in the collection at the Field Museum

but instead talking about the creepy sexist emails you have to put up with

how to get to the emails are they coming to come in on on on YouTube

um can you refreeze it im you were talking and you quote

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vote in this segment of the brain scoop caldo where my ladies at about

about some of the comments you get all the things at folks email to you are are they are they

are the common sense sational up on your YouTube page there is an end

but there’s a variety of ways people can get ahold of me died I have a tumblr have a blocked Twitter

Twitter I Facebook inboxes in and you to come in so it’s kind of like a negative

all the different ways social media people can get ahold of me well let’s go ahead and

play emitted from that video where you quote some of the messages in question

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question I feel like in general women don’t have enough time to do the things because of the pressure that

every episode has to be flawless an execution the term for both men and women

women but I feel like women are going to give up more easily because of Commons like this I’m still tour

totally do her we have a fear of the feedback from my subscribers in common because we’re friends

free that are audience is more focused on her appearance the quality of our content even more than that

events at the concert have to be good or factual because we’re not convinced that people are watching

watching for the content of the first place finally I saw her body ohmygod

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how can a woman be hotter than Emily if you ever need a safe place to stay what you study the past

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because some soon must be some for personal relationship happening which me

which makes work with that person later on awkward on top of that makes me feel awkward

awkward having somebody on my show because I’m afraid there going to see those kind of Comet this is the weirdest

lesbian porn I’ve ever seen and again that’s a clip from

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the addition of the brain scoop that you Emily graslie called where my ladies

ladies at you really handlin with the way but also you tell that you weren’t kidding

and those those those messages that goes with things at people really sent you

overcoming flat iron that I read and then re read kind of indisposed

disbelief how you know ahead this something that’s been happening all the time

with the brain scoop which scientist and you started before you came to the Field Museum

CM um are the something that doesn’t use it started coming in more recently

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well known as an audience expand your going to exponentially get more c**

comments in within the coming to expect probably get more people who are left

focus on use an individual in and kind of um they feel like there’s a barrier

barrier between myself and them as if I comment posted that doesn’t

doesn’t directly speak to me and is instead about me I just I wont read it

rata free no I’m I’m too busy or whatever else but I have been receiving is coming

coming to soon as I had started making videos on YouTube um it was something that

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things that at my first appearance on YouTube video is it in December of

2012 and I you know the reaction that I had from

from them from Hank green who who was in the video with you produce a video put it on his show

show the others and he said you know if you’re interested in doing online video do you think you can handle it

the comment as if it was something I could of had to Lake set myself up for like yeah

yeah you know it did the weirdness of having people not only talk about you and talk to you an ingrate

engrade number to talk about you but I wasn’t really prepared for the I guess

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I guess for how I would feel about having so many people comment about my appearance or sayings

explicit things about me um I don’t think there’s anything I can prepare somebody for having

having to deal with that is part of the job what made you decide to a

speak up about it um mainly because I have been receiving a lot of emails from

young women who were also interested in having their own YouTube channel interested

Justin bar near me Tristan history of love to have my own channel like the brain scoop b***

but they saw that I was receiving is kind of coming to know what the word concerned with how do you do with a comment

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do you ignore them to hide them do you delete them do you have somebody else Reacher coming for you in

um did the question of how are you doing with a kind of made me realize why wasn’t

wasn’t that wasn’t dealing with a kind of letting an existing there on the page

and it’s not only did the young women series coming to parents

videos to the children and I don’t want somebody to growth in the back

what kind of environment think you have to endure sexual harassment

pursuit of making it for me a funny educational videos now in in in the city

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the segment I don’t know if you arrived at a conclusion are you just wanted to get those questions

distance after about your concern about love what is this so to communicate

medication a me this far is impacted the impact it has on just talking about

what size in the first place but having of the internet being a place for women to talk about

talk about science yeah I don’t know that there is a heart and true

true solution to this problem um I think it’s definitely something that is not only

creators of myself on YouTube have to address in keep in mind but also how are audience

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audiences participate how we would like a audience is to dissipate and I think it’s enough

nothing to be solved overnight but um I hadn’t really seen address

the son on video in a specially not know my notification video so I’ve

I feel like I need to get the ball rolling you put a Southwest just a few weeks ago

video went up in December on December can a month ago maybe

baby app what to feed back have you gotten since then about that

I received an overwhelmingly positive reaction um I received

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100 female send messages from people both men and women who are you know some

some men are apologetics their land their pod racing on behalf of their entire gender for

the way that you don’t men specially Evan reacting to my videos

Anna from women who said there inspired by it and there’s a feeling

empowered a woman who did you know so to speak at Fashion Center

is myself can also be smart in articulate and funny in WoW

um but its minutes in really encouraging and I am I thinking

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Richmond that I received his vastly away the outside dissenters out there

there and I’m thinking about in the context of what the cake Clancy you were telling me with a fever

feedback you were getting a new you were talking a lot about um I am by II

hope you are receiving some support in along along the way after you wrote

Scientific American but you spoke about people who essentially 7

that’s what you have to expect on the internet what are you doing here anyway

addition of the fact that there are people who questions the end

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Andy indignation you may have for the any feelings that might come up when you have

you know like I had a range of different kinds of Preston Tucker

Khmer online in terms of emails blog post a Twitter

Twitter comments and things like that and they Raintree you know the drive by a really gruesome

explicit rape threats all the way to do you know if lol

academic writing me a really long mansplaining an email about white as I’m running about something

and you know uh all of the entire range

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all of that has a very chilling effect and a but I think it’s kind of sad about the

the times that were so often advised to not feed the trolls or ignore the people who are being

route to us is that it doesn’t actually give us a chance to access all the feelings vent about with happen

what’s happening to us and then have a chance to move on so what I love about Emily’s pieces that

what by Shelli showcasing some of these comments that she’s gotten um

she’s a fling bear the experience for so many women online who are harassed but um

um I think she also take some of that power back in so you know what you did was really lovely

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thank you what talking on focusing wyll im Jim Meadows my guest

best Kate Clancy professor of anthropology here at the Y and Emily

Grassley who are does the brain scoop a video blog for the Field Museum

BMI of Natural History find it on youtube still time for your feedback

back at one 800 222 94551 802 2

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edu take two women do you see women leaving academia

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the me up because of this sort of sexism  um

I mean Eminem and maybe just internet sexism would be

maybe maybe we’re really talking about something larger than just what goes on online

are there a lot of ways in which um academia can produce a hostile climate for women

for women and I do think that that um II do I have had a lot of

autos I have to buy the tissue that way and I want is for me

what is for my students and I often do you have to close the door and have

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umm give student space to have a feeling by various things are happening

happening over the course of writing a dissertation or I’m having class room comforter things like that

what makes you think that they’d um sometimes the way in which we try to have debates

faith in academia because it’s kind of a masculine way that we engage

give women a chance with a fan culturally conditioned sexually active the feelings Triton

engage with you no content conversations instead of you know what

what does actually put a lot of women weighing unfortunately no number of women who

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who have made it to the PhD and then not gone on Tacony Mia

um and not because they always wanted to do some other tracker because they felt pushed out

doubt people who’ve never finished Emily you’re in a different part of the Sun

the science World urine of the museum call to your job is really talk

talking about this stuff for a you know for laymen for people like me essentially

Ike Ike I can imagine that you’re 50 years ago I would be the Gift Shop

the Field Museum and I would have bought a little booklet say about faces of South America

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urban color plates and then they would have been a byline by ee grassle

Grassley are some things but uh instead this is what you do now

and I’m I’m wondering do you find those to freshers in in your work

workers far is women working in Arkansas Yumina for women

find the Field Museum with women scientists are in Owen Indian your job itself

what do if it’s interesting I’m coming out the from unique respective that I have a background in

dart so when approaching somebody new familiar with my work I eat

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you know I’m talking to people and an attempted to get them to summarize

Ryse their last three decades of work in an hour long interview um so I

Oria often wonder if their education to talk with me is because I don’t feel incompetent as

the scientist to discuss their work or if it is because they don’t understand

understand or appreciate the culture of web content or you know I’d like to think

my at the fact that im a woman has nothing to do with it um but in Kentucky

talking about some of these these issues in officially the lady that video I spoke

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spoke with some Field Museum people members of The Women in Science Group a head of time

time just so you know I’m interested in talking about this what you thinking it was it was a nice

like a good luck with that kind of like pat on the head kind of you know you were you’re going to

you’re going to be open a can of worms that were you think you will that’s actually been open for decades in

im you can you can try to change something in the new online content

media or you know we’ll see what happens I actually from an outside

Northside professional somebody told me that if you thought that you could change anything

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if you thought I’d like the way women are treated in society is going to change don’t you think women

women generations ahead of you would have done it by now and that

what kind of the statements to force me a little bit the fact that somebody could just

end of take my fire in a try to extinguish it so II feel like it is not going to

I’m going bad on if both men and women have to come to grips with the fact that things need to change and

and maybe yeah everything’s going great generations ago but that doesn’t mean we don’t have to

have the chance to change things now there are the distance to be different levels of thinking

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get these things get talked about in dumb

in terms of it sounds like

like some of the people of the talking to you were talking about the problems women have faced formal

millenia as compared to the problems women face right now on the Internet

yeah and granite I don’t expect those kind of change

mange on a worldwide basis overnight but um I do think that

that the way to retrieve women online to be a really great reflections how women are treated in the workplace

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women find attractive for treated um I think we have a good

good platform to to experiment with somebody thinks ok

we just got a email in die from Arthur

um I’m sorry I feel you for staying because he didn’t like you prefer to be anonymous

president that find the right Eastman hearing a lot of false equipment

woodlands um  think he’s talking about other

what other not want not hear the broadcast by to the larger discussion of this hole

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tall is you saying that he’s hurting other U of I senior staff were also

also the subject of online abuse that comes with the territory etc

therefore what say you have to put up with case or what you feel

you for your putting up with Emily um isn’t that special but he writes my question is

what is did the online abuse of those other U of I senior staff

text based on race which in their case would have been the European American heritage

are the dead online abuse refer to in their case male genitalia know

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no answer question so it’s really not the same thing do you see

do you think some your credits are are guilty of false equivalence

I’m not sure if I understand the point Arthur’s making her um I think he is trying to defend you by saying

icing that I that that that that he’s hurt people essentially an answer answering

answering of points made by you and Emily by saying will you know I’ve had to put up

what up with with with a lot of junk on the Internet to sew the fact that your woman

woman doesn’t really mean anything sure and I think that there’s

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um there’s there some ways in which I think we all experienced

a harassment you know on line and we all experience heated argument

mints and discussions in the classroom um you know what they’re very pointed

which we all get our feelings hurt the difference is not just in the volume but in the

what in the way in which its about people’s characters are there is making a point hear that there’s a difference between

craftsman a person’s color of woman receive online

in terms of the absolute volume so there a number of um black women academics

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follow on Twitter who they often retweet the kinds of things that they getting I say

the amount of astounding Lee bad racist attacks with a get

um I just ordered to be on when I get a white woman um and sewer

and so I do think that there ways in which there is an absolute difference in terms of the volume and then yes it is off

what is off in about her character am I more recent those kind of amusing is well

well attacks I got with a man who informed me that he had been told by both his wife

bossy said he was the epitome of the perfect man and so was very well suited to tell

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tell me how you know how dumb I was in a how much I

overreacting so I should just cool it baby and I swear word

never be told to cool it baby what I’m thinking now and we’re going into the last minute

I’m going to give it to Emily if you have something to say here um this is the end

the Internet is used to be something special to one sided people spend time

time on more and more for more and more people is how they do the regular

daily discourse and its a place where you can do discourse like this pretty easily

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easily what do you think this means for the future you know im

no I’m not I’m not bitter about it I’m excited about it um I know it

think we’re open a dialogue in the fact that we had so much for to the patient honest I like Israelian

original me the video that I put up with a couple months ago and I’m I’m still talking about it

what is a really good sign and people are kind of pulling up what’s going on

going on the internet and there they are incorporated in their daily lives in the daily business in

send a part of the online part of the ongoing dialogue of of Art

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no the climate of a culture so to speak um so sore

interesting thing how to spell 7 next year Rihanna okay well this is the soda discussion you

can you can wrap up of only put aside for now I don’t think we’re going to have any grants

and conclusions but I do want to thank my guests Emily graslie who are produces

deuces the brain scoop for the Field Museum in Chicago and Kate Clancy professor Asus

assistant professor of anthropology at the U of I thank you both being on the program today

along with Amanda Jesus spoke at the start of the program here on focus.