The 21st Show

Former Archivist of the U.S. Colleen Shogan on preserving historic documents, facing public pressure, and being fired by President Trump

Produced by Brian Mackey
 
the US constitution is written on dark brown paper in elaborate script; the inset photo features a white woman with brown hair and wearing a black top; she's looking to her right and her lips are pursed; on a TV monitor in the background — out of focus — you can see a senator holding up a piece of paper, presumably asking a question or making a point during Shogan's confirmation hearing

The U.S. Constitution is displayed at the National Archives on Tuesday, Sept. 16, 2025, in Washington. INSET: Colleen Shogan testifies before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee on her nomination to be archivist of the U.S. in this file photo from Feb. 28, 2023. U.S. Constitution: Mark Schiefelbein/AP — Colleen Shogan (inset): Manuel Balce Ceneta/AP

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Today's show included a rebroadcast of the following "best of" segment first aired October 15, 2025: Former Archivist of the U.S. Colleen Shogan on preserving historic documents, facing public pressure, and being fired by President Trump.