Episode 41: Visiting with Julie A. Pryde of Champaign, IL, and her story, “After School Special”

                                    
ANNOUNCER  00:00 Raising women’s voices, one story at a time. Welcome to The She Said Project Podcast. 

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JENETTE JURCZYK Friends and fans, you are listening to The She Said Project Podcast. This is Jenette Jurczyk, National Director of The She Said Project. Here! Back in the WILL Studio in Champaign, Illinois.

KERRY ROSSOW  00:40 Thank you. I am not above sucking up. I like it. I like it. And so now I’m going to suck up. I’m so excited because we have Julie Pryde! Yay!

JENETTE  00:40 My co-host, my gorgeous, amazing, talented, beautiful, sensational co-host Kerry Rossow! I know. This is a big episode for us because Julie appeared on stage in That’s What She Said in February 2022, which was our first show, live show, back in our flagship town, our flagship show of Champaign-Urbana, after the two-year hiatus due to COVID. Julie is here in the studio, ready to chat with us, but before we introduce her, like, having Julie on stage was a big deal, because she is, she’s a local celebrity in Champaign-Urbana. She is the head of the CU Public Health Department. And it’s no secret that in the past two years during the COVID pandemic, she was a.) extremely busy—so we were lucky to have her b.) extremely visible because she had a lot of work to do and a lot of things to say to keep our community safe. And c.) we presented her with a challenge when we had her onstage at That’s What She Said.

KERRY  00:51 We weren’t just picking on Julie. We always have a rule that if you are known in the community, you cannot talk about what you’re known for. So taking all of that away from Julie for what she had been spending two years talking about, I hope that she welcomed that challenge but she knocked it out of the park when she did and I think took all of us by surprise.

JENETTE  02:13 Well, let’s find out what she thought. Please welcome to The She Said Project Podcast, Julie Pryde. Hi, Julie.

JULIE A. PRYDE  02:19 Hello, and trust me, I was absolutely ecstatic to talk about anything other than COVID for a while. I’m also known for chlamydia, but that’s a completely different thing.

KERRY  02:29  [laughing hysterically]

JULIE  02:31 Not that I have it, just that I have to frequently talk about it in public as well,

KERRY  02:35 Chlamydia and COVID. Good times.

JENETTE  02:38 That is one interesting career that you have there, but you are known in this community. You are seen in public spheres quite often and so it was no surprise to see you stand on a stage with a microphone in your hand. But… but… when we welcomed you on stage in February of 2022, after two years of dealing with all of this, our community got to see another side of Julie Pryde: they got to see the woman behind the title. The woman behind the title? The person that you have always been and that makes you so unique and interesting. And can we just say funny? Can we just say hilarious?

KERRY  03:17 So another rule that we have is I often say no F bombs in the show, and I did not… I can usually predict who’s going to be the person that is the hardest to rein in with the F bombs. (Angi Franklin - Hello. That was a no brainer.) But I did not foresee, 1.) that you were going to be so funny. I think all your friends and loved ones saw it coming but everyone else…

JULIE  03:36 Oh, trust me, my family does not find me funny. And they made it very clear.

KERRY  03:36 What?!? [surprised]

JULIE  03:42 And nor my teachers nor my parents, I mean, they just never… no one ever. And I said so well indeed I am, I’ve been tested. I am actually funny. My children, it irritates them to death, that you know, because I’m always saying, Well, I actually… they’re always like, “You’re not funny,” like.. Well, actually I am.

KERRY  03:55 We have video proof.

JENETTE  03:57 And we got to prove it. We got video proof, there were 800 people in that audience. We have proof that you were funny. So let’s just cut to the proof right now because our listeners need to get to know Julie Pryde and I don’t want to give away any of the funny moments *monkey* about the story *monkey* so we’re just gonna have to play it and then we’ll talk about it. So let’s take a listen to Julie Pryde, live on stage, in That’s What She Said Champaign Urbana 2022 with her story, “After School Special.”

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(recorded live at the Virginia Theatre, Champaign, IL on February 26, 2022)

JULIE 04:27 Y’all miss hearing me talk, don’t you? [laughter, applause, ‘we love you Julie!’] 

If you’re as old as me, you probably watched the ABC after school specials. Remember those? They would pop up at unexpected times to interrupt our afternoon viewing of syndicated sitcoms with overdramatic cautionary tales for tweens and teens. Well, I hated those… I hated those because my life was basically a bunch of after school specials. Oh, yeah. I had it all. Illness, death, substance abuse, homosexuality. And growing up in a very, very small town meant that my window on the world was not based on experience, but it was based on World Book Encyclopedias that were in my basement. They were my generation’s Google. So I grew up in a small, rural town in Central IL and it was about as boring and homogenous as could be. Everyone, and I mean everyone in my community, was pretty much the same. We were all white, anglo-saxon, protestant, boring. Catholicism was actually considered quite exotic. And lasagna? Well that was an ‘ethnic food.’ [laughter] Despite our obvious similarities that I had with everyone, I always felt different. I always felt odd. And like most kids in my town, I grew up feral. You know, we woke up and, we woke up, we ate breakfast, we went outside—we played,  we had adventures.  We would really only come in to eat and sleep.  We often drank out of garden hoses and peed behind bushes and trees so that we didn’t have to come in and  interrupt our play.   My friends and I shared everything. We shared snacks and comic books and secrets and a really bad case of ringworm [laughter] that we got from a feral cat that I found in the country and brought into town. We had to make our own adventures. We didn’t have the video games and all the festive things y’all have on TV and internet, we had to make our own adventures. So one of mine involved the forbidden spider monkey. This was kept on a long leash in my grandparents neighbor’s backyard. And every single time we went to my grandparent’s house, we were told not to bother the monkey, not to go near the monkey, and, God forbid, do not touch the monkey! Needless to say, every single fiber of my being was drawn to that monkey. It really was the most interesting thing in my life up to that point. [laughter] I often fantasized about that monkey. Owning that monkey. Dressing it up in little outfits. Putting it on my shoulder in the bike basket and riding around town with it. I’m still thinking about that monkey. [laughter] God, it was cute. Anyhoodle, I finally did touch that monkey. When my grandparents were inside their house, I took my sister’s bike and I rode over and I got real close to the monkey. Well that monkey was mean. It just jumped out and it snatched the plastic flower off my sister’s bike. So thinking quickly, like I do, I grabbed ahold of that monkey and I yanked that flower right out of its mouth. That monkey grabbed me and it bit me right on the middle finger. I can still see the scar. That little adventure really cost me. It cost me a smack on the ass and a trip to the doctor’s office for a tetanus shot. Stupid ass monkey. [laughter and applause] Okay, so to set the stage, I was a tomboy. That’s what we were called. But not only was I a tomboy, but I was an unusually small, anxious and sickly child, no doubt due to the near fatal bout of measles I had as a toddler. And while all of my siblings grew to six feet tall, by high school I was only five foot three, and had delayed puberty. That made me seem even weirder. They tried to treat me for my runtiness by things like daily iron medicine, which was so strong that I swear to God, I can still taste it sometimes. My doctor told my parents an interesting little way to help me gain weight. They told them to give me a small glass of wine before dinner. [laughter] Now the point of the half a juice glass full of wine was supposed to stimulate my appetite and help me gain weight. [laughter] While I don’t remember if that actually helped me gain weight or eat more, I do absolutely remember the calm feeling that it gave me. [laughter] I was still in grade school. One transformative memory that stays with me is the time that my parents inexplicably took me to see Cabaret at the Clintonia Theatre. I was seven years old. Apparently they couldn’t get a babysitter because that show dealt with some pretty adult themes and they went right over my head. But I still remember it like it was yesterday. As the lights went down, I sat between my parents taking it all in: the smell of the popcorn, the cardboard, the seats, the cigarette smoke, and the red velvet seats that I couldn’t stop touching. And then the screen flickered to life and there she was. My first crush, Liza Minnelli. [laughter] I told you I was a weird kid. [laughter] After the movie, I could not stop talking about Liza. How pretty she was. What a great singer she was. What a great dancer she was. How I just wanted to go back and see that movie again. In fact, I talked about it so much that my mom finally sat me down for a little talk. She explained that while she was glad that I liked Liza Minnelli and the movie, I was not going back to see it again. And in fact, she thought it probably was a good idea that I started talking about other things. And while I wasn’t exactly in trouble, I did get the sense that this fixation was somehow unacceptable.  

When I was only six years old, my mom had to go to the hospital. It was obvious to me that something serious was happening but I didn’t know what. When she finally returned from the hospital, she had a huge bandage across her chest. And while she assured me that it didn’t hurt, and that she was okay, I could get the sense that that wasn’t true. Later, I saw that the bandage had actually covered where her left breast had been. And that it covered a horrific scar that went all the way across her chest under her arm and clear through her back.  After that there were about five years of hushed conversations, endless trips to doctor’s offices, and to the clinic for radiation treatments and many many more hospitalizations. During this time, my mom would sit me down to share life lessons. One that I really remember (because I was super excited about it) was the period talk. [laughter] Before she started the period talk she sent me to the bathroom to collect the box of maxi pads. Woohoo! [exclamation] I had been banned from those maxi pads and anywhere near that cabinet in the bathroom. All because I used a couple of them make saddles for the cats. [laughter] Whatever. There were a lot of them in that box. That’s all I’m gonna say.  Anyway, remember when I said I was a late bloomer? By the time I actually started puberty, maxi pads had changed a lot. They had evolved and sprouted wings. So when I was in sixth grade, just six days after my mom’s 40th birthday, my sister and I were called to the principal’s office, where one of my aunts awaited. She didn’t tell us what was wrong, but I knew. When I arrived home, my father sat us down, confirmed my worst fears, and my childhood imploded.  So to reiterate, at that point, I lost my mother, I was age 11. In sixth grade. I was a small, sickly, flat-chested tomboy, who was fighting anxiety, depression, developing alcoholism, and had homosexual tendencies. And did I mention that my really small school had no social workers or counselors? 

But fast forward. That crush on Liza Minnelli never really went away. I was starting to think that maybe I actually had caught “The Gay.” [laughter] 

Later, when I was 17, I would sneak down to the library at Millikin University and secretly read up on homosexuality, to see if that’s actually what I had. Because I was assured by my reading, that this could actually be a normal phase of adolescence, and I would outgrow it. Spoiler alert: I didn’t. [laughter] So at about the time, I also discovered that when I had trouble sleeping due to my anxiety that alcohol could actually help with that could help me feel better. It was like wrapping myself in a warm blanket. I would seek it out in any form I could find it—an open bottle of wine, Vicks 44 cough syrup, Nyquil. That warm feeling was really comforting. Later predictably, that feeling of comfort would turn into the nightmare of addiction. But on December 1, 1991, I took my last drink of alcohol as I entered Carle’s New Choice Center for Alcoholism. [applause and cheering] Calm down, I still use all the other drugs. No, I don’t. I’m kidding. Am I? No. Little bit… My after school life, like all of those on TV did have a pretty happy ending. I’m not gonna pretend that there haven’t been rough times many struggles, many setbacks as I navigated my way towards adulthood. There still are, there will be many more. But tonight, I stand before you as a sober, out and proud lesbian, mother of three smart, caring, beautiful children that I am so proud of. And a professional with a job that I absolutely love. Who am I kidding? [applause] I loved it. When the credits finally roll on my story, there will be a long list of people who were responsible for how it turned out: family, friends, colleagues, teachers, professors, and others who were just supportive and let me know it was okay if I was weird. These were not professional counselors. These were just caring adults. They just let me know that no matter how awkward or weird or alone I felt, it was okay. So as we go through our daily lives, we may not all know what ABC after school specials others are currently living through or who have lived through. We do, all of us, however, have the power to be the one that can help them find their happy ending. [applause and loud cheering]

JENETTE  19:21 Julie, Julie, I don’t even know what to say.

KERRY ROSSOW  19:25 I do! Stupid ass monkey. [laughing]

JULIE  19:28 Indeed, it was.

JENETTE  19:30 Now you shared with me recently that you’ve learned a little bit about the fate of that monkey since your performance.

JULIE A. PRYDE  19:38 Well. Okay. So this is so freakishly odd that it never occurred to me. I had always wondered and I always ask, like, what I wonder what ever happened to that monkey like it just disappeared. Whatever happened to the monkey? Well, I was talking to my older brother and, you know, he said, “Well, I can tell you who owned the monkey and I can tell you about that,” he said, “but I don’t know what happened to it. It just disappeared. You’re right.” So then I’m just going about my business and my niece texted me and she said, “Hey, why did you only have to get tetanus shots? Why didn’t you have to get a rabies shot?” And then I said, Oh, my God, because being a public health professional, I now know exactly what happened to that monkey. It was no doubt confiscated by the Macon County Health Department, had its head removed, shipped to Springfield to the lab where they had to test it for rabies, because that’s what they did. Otherwise, of course, I would have had to get rabies shots.

KERRY  20:35 Oh, the story just took a turn.

JULIE  20:37 It took an ugly turn. And I was just like, oh my god, I killed that monkey.

KERRY  20:41 You’re a monkey killer, Julie!

JULIE  20:43 I didn’t like the monkey. I wanted the monkey. I coveted the monkey. But then I hated the monkey. Mostly because I got my butt smacked which hurt actually more than the monkey bite. But now I realized talk about a bizarre twist. My niece had the point like what happened to that monkey? And that was like, Oh, hey, having worked in public health for 30 years, I never really thought that one through.

KERRY  21:05 It never occurred to you.

JULIE  21:06 It absolutely never occurred to me. I knew I had to get tetanus shots. And to make matters even weirder is my brother was bitten by a raccoon which he caught because why wouldn’t we be catching wild animals every chance we got in our small town. And he was bitten by it. And he let it loose. And then he had to get twenty-one rabies shots in his stomach. And I went with him to the nurse’s house where he got them throughout that summer. So yeah, and that never occurred to me why I never got them.

KERRY  21:34 Wait, you just went to a, some woman’s house that said she was a nurse ...and she’s like sprawled out on the dining room table and…

JULIE  21:38 No, she wasn’t a nurse.  Well, yes…

KERRY 21:42 ...it could’ve taken another turn

JENETTE  21:43 The plot thickens.

JULIE  21:44 Okay, so in a small town, you know, we have a doctor’s office that was about the size of my bathroom now. And clearly the man did not keep up on current literature. As most of the people in my town roughly…

JENETTE  21:57 They didn’t all have the World Book Encyclopedia set that you had?

JULIE  22:00 Sadly not, because I kept up on it. But I did wonder at one point why I had these gray teeth and all my friends had gray teeth and everybody around us had gray teeth. Well, hello tetracycline! That the rest of the world probably kept up with their literature and knew not to prescribe that but nope, not in our tiny town. So you have the good and the bad and the small towns. So the rabies shots were prescribed. They’re usually prescribed by the Health Department. But apparently back in the 70s you could just go right to the nurse’s house. She probably just pulled it right out of the fridge with the, you know, milk and eggs and everything else that was in there and gave him the shots.

KERRY  22:35 Swing by Bertha’s and get yourself a belly shot.

JULIE  22:38 Yeah, her name was Pat. But… Nurse Pat…  Yeah, it’s just weird. But since I did that story, now, I don’t know who, you know, I know people from local saw it but one of my friends that I grew up with, she posted on Facebook and, her Facebook page, and then a lot of people from my hometown was commenting on the monkey and they’re just like, “Oh, I remember that monkey. I didn’t know you got bit by it.” And it’s like ahh…

JENETTE  22:39 There’s a couple more after school specials in here somewhere. So… Apparently a phenomenon in your small town.

JULIE  23:06 I mean, seriously, a monkey in a small town that was like, that was like a circus, a tiny, tiny circus, but a circus. Nonetheless, we had very little to entertain ourselves with.

KERRY  23:16 Okay so that’s your hometown feedback. What has been the feedback that you’ve gotten? Any weird feedback? Any funny feedback?

 JULIE  23:24 I… the feedback I got. And it… the feedback I got, including from my children, is basically, “Why are you so weird?” They knew all my monkey stories, all my weird stories, but the serious stuff about my mom and about the alcohol and things like that—I have never really talked about it. They’re like, of course, you would get up on a stage and like tell the world before you just mentioned that. I’m like, Well, it never really came up. You know, that just doesn’t come up in a daily conversation I guess with my kids or other people. So…

JENETTE  23:52 Unless you’re having coffee with me, in which case we talked about e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g… [emphasis]

JULIE  23:56 Well, yeah. You were like a therapist, you were supposed to be pulling things out. So kind of hanging out with you is like incomplete therapy. So, you know, I’ll probably just be floating around out there, half-cocked…

JENETTE  24:03 Well, if you pay the bill I sent you we could finish the session. I don’t know. [Kerry laughing]

JULIE  24:10 You just… You just pick the scabs and let them bleed. [all laughing] Now, those were not… I mean, obviously, some of them are painful memories, but they’re memories and they’re long since passed. But it’s just something apparently I had never bothered to discuss with certain people. I mean, some people knew them. Oh girl, that is not anywhere near my deepest and darkest secret. Trust me…

JENETTE  24:29 Well. It’s not every day you’re asked, you know, to share your deepest and darkest secrets in a very public way. And…

KERRY  24:39 That’s why we’ve called you here today, Julie.

JENETTE  24:44 Well, today’s the day.

JULIE  24:44 But this is the wrong station for that… [laughter, shenanigans] It’s gonna be a blue album…

KERRY  24:46 [laughing]

JENETTE  24:49 But we trudged through a lot of the bits and baubles from your past and, you know, handpicked what was going to be a good fit for the show, and you did go to a darker side but what you have such a gift in doing is sharing some of the darkness from your childhood, in such a charming and funny way that brings people in, because laughter connects people, it gives people permission to live in those ugly moments and not shy away from it. And you just have such a gift. Every moment, every phrase, every ‘anywhoodle,’ made people love you even more. And there was just this awe, this awe on people’s faces watching you share these stories of your past. That is a true gem. That is a true gift that you have. And I know that you bring that into your work and into your public speeches quite a bit.

JULIE  25:37 Oh I… what—and honestly, what I tried to do, and the reason why I put some of that stuff in there was to let people know that, you know, people only know you how they know you. So most people know me from being on the TV for, you know, five minutes or something doing, or giving a presentation somewhere. And so I think that sometimes you just believe people are who they are. They just like magically popped up like a mushroom, you know, from—“This is me, I’m fully formed. I’m a mushroom.”  But you know, I was a wild kid, I was a hellion. At some point, I suffered great pain. When I lost my mother, of course, I had great fun. All of that becomes part of you. And I think that for me, somethings like the being out about being a lesbian about struggling with that about struggling with addiction, about struggling with anxiety and depression. To me, that’s important for other people to know. Because when you’re going through it, you would swear you’re the number one, you’re the only person in the world going through that, and that there may not be something good on the other side. And in reality most often there is. And so I think that those of us who have gone through that and survived that I almost feel like we have a moral obligation to let other people know, hey, I had some rough times as a kid and made it through. And especially, you know, with being gay, I didn’t talk about that a lot. But that was a really, really, I really struggled with that because I didn’t understand it. I’m older than most people think I am for whatever reason people don’t realize I am a Boomer and, and so I mean, I was really the it was just completely different and being a, you know, non athletic, [Kerry laughing] lesbian neophyte in a little town, you know, nobody assumed that. So I like once in fitting the stereotype at the time, even though I was a tomboy, you know, there were a ton of tomboys. But once you start getting older, it was like, you know, it was it was rough. And I didn’t know what to do with that. And I didn’t know who to talk to about it, and how I handle everything is to read. So, you know, ha ha [laughing]

JENETTE  27:43 You told me about your excursions to the library.

JULIE  27:44 And the reading actually, library. Yes, the reading actually made it worse for me, because I was, you have to realize this was in the very early 80s. I was like 17. And I would go to the library at Millikin. And I was so terrified that somebody would see me touching a gay book or in the gay section, you know, that I would go to the card catalog. And it was it was like, it was ridiculous. It was like, you know, I was on some kind of secret spy mission, I would get it I would get the I would go find the book, I would grab it, I would go to a different floor of the library, read it inside of another book. And these books were you know, good lord, they were like, almost traumatizing because I would look at the pictures and be like, Okay, number one, I don’t look like that. Number two, I’m not attracted to that. Oh, my God, what am I? And these were from, you can imagine that the books were from like the, well, either early 70s or late 60s. It was just really weird. I expected Krofft puppets to pop out and tell me how to be gay: [imitating trumpet fanfare] Ta-da-da-Ta, you know, I was used to, “Where was HR Pufnstuf when I needed him? You know, pop out. Tell me where the rainbows are, you know, where’s the happiness? And so looking at those books were not helpful. And then I later discovered that you could order books online. And I will tell you, my therapist wasn’t particularly helpful, either. I will tell you that I started working in advertising at 19. And my boss just said one day, “You’re going. You’re going to therapy. I’m taking you.” And she just took me because I was a mess. I was just a mess. You know, my therapist was very helpful. I was trying to quit drinking and she’s like, “well, in Europe, you know, they just try to control their drinking.” Sweet! I’ll try that! That didn’t work.

KERRY  29:21 Control it all the way down.

JULIE  29:22 It didn’t work. And the same thing with the.. here’s what my real issue.. she she immediately knew knew that. Okay, you’re struggling obviously, with your sexuality. And then I’m like, Okay, well fix it. What do I do? And it’s like, I need to meet people. And she’s was like, Well, I’m not your dating service. I’m like, Oh, well, okay. I’m not asking for dating service. But… And so long story short, she eventually figured out that she could send me to Champaign from Decatur and McKinley Church and Foundation had a group and that was it. That was helpful. So being around other people, even though I felt completely different than all of them I was younger, they were in college over here and they seemed far more worldly than me.

JENETTE  30:09 But all of that—all of those experiences. All of those struggles—is what you brought to the stage and shared the other side of so that yes, in today’s age hopefully a 17 year old sexually confused young person can have so many more resources where they can find answers and camaraderie and therapy and whatever it is they need to find themselves but you got to be part of that you got to be part of that that dialogue and help the next and help the next. Can we just take a moment and talk about [pause] Liza?

JULIE  30:45 Mmm-mmm.

JENETTE  30:45 Because I [laughing] loved your revelation!

JULIE  30:50 Errrrrr! [Kerry and Jenette laughing hysterically]

KERRY  30:54 I almost fell out of my chair when you did that…

JULIE  30:56 And you know, mind you, she was not her best at the at the Oscars. She was not her best.

KERRY  31:00 She was not her sexiest

JULIE  31:02 No she was not but…

KERRY  31:04 Yeah.

JULIE  31:04 ...but thankfully Lady Gaga stepped in and was the true champion and I would expect her to be.

KERRY  31:08 Yep. Yep.

JENETTE  31:09 Women supporting women, that’s what She Said is all about. But you know what, Liza has had an amazing life and an amazing career and has been a—I don’t know if role model is the right word, but—

JULIE  31:22 It was her struggles with addiction.  A touchstone…

JENETTE  31:22 Right, a touchstone, for people like you to be inspired. And it’s, it’s the theatrics, it’s the drama, it’s the talent, you know, it’s and…

JULIE  31:35 You know, I read, I kept reading about her any chance I got, and I read about her struggles with addiction. And actually, when I was in the treatment center, you know, you get the blue book, The Big Book, you know, what I did was cut the pictures of Liza out of Vanity Fair and stick them all inside my book. [Kerry laughing]  And they’re still in there. I still have it. So they’re all plastered in there, like the one with her with the, you know, spiky hair and the cigarette and she’s but she you know, she struggled with addiction. Her mother struggled with addiction.

JENETTE  31:35 Yes.  I don’t think one She Said show and one podcast episode is enough to really enjoy all that Julie Pryde has to offer.

KERRY  32:13 This is part one.

JENETTE  32:13 Julie, thank you, first and foremost, for saying yes to being in That’s What She Said. Many people don’t know that we asked you to be part of this in early 2020, when the pandemic was just this little baby problem on the horizon. And you’re like, Yeah, well it’ll be fine by the time the show comes around and, and the world went upside down and back again and by the time we were ready to go. And every single time you showed up, you were prepared. You were excited. You were supportive of the other women who were in the show, and you were just a joy to work with every single step of the way. And thank you for coming into the studio and joining us today to share even more of the story behind the story as we do—my favorite line, when you’re like, [imitates Julie’s voice] “like I do.” I think I walk around saying that to myself, “like I do.” [laughing] I mean, you’ve given us such wonderful quotable quotes, but well if I know there’s definitely a 2.0 and a 3.0 like, I see it in the future. I want more. I know that our fans want more.

JULIE  33:19 Well, if you ever have a podcast for That’s Why She Can’t Shut Up that’ll be me for that, because I’m a talker…

JENETTE  33:25 You heard it here first, ladies and friends, when we begin when we launch the next podcast,

JULIE  33:33 Why Can’t She Shut Up, episode 57

KERRY ROSSOW  33:36 Need more of Julie’s will be Why Can’t She Shut Up                          	

JENETTE  33:39 Probably. Well, thank you for letting us live through that joyous moment again. It gives me such joy and laughter and cheer. You’re just a gem. You’re a gem and you’re a treasure to this community. So we thank you so much. 

JULIE  33:57  Well, I am so happy to have been a part of it. It was wonderful and I love meeting everyone and it was a wonderful experience and I like keeping in contact with people

JENETTE  34:06 Thank you so much for joining us today for this hilarious fun journey with Julie Pryde here on The She Said Project Podcast.  

Over and out [all repeat] Over and out.

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